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Why let Satan continue?

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Why does God allow Satan to continue for so many milleniums, watching human suffer so much pain when God has the power to destroy Satan and his angels instantly? It seems a bit cruel to have God with all the power he has to just watch the sufferings on earth for so long like watching a long gory movie.

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I am new to this site and I hope I have posted this in the right forum. My teenaged son has a some questions which has been fueling inside him for years and I do not have the answers to. I wonder whether anyone might be able to come up with some possibilities?
 

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Yeah, I didn't even know "hamartiology" was a word, so my amateur answer may not be you're looking for, but here goes ...

First off, if this starts to go deeper I suspect it could involve a discussion of free will, God's will, the power of angels, and other difficult topics.

But, the short answer is that it is too simplistic to put Satan in the "bad" category and oneself in the "good" category - which is where most questions like this come from. The attitude is: hey, I'm a good person so why doesn't God appreciate me more, do what I want, and destroy all these bad things that get in my way. The truth is, Satan is known as The Accuser (Rev 12:10). In other words, his actions often reveal who we are.

The little parable I have heard is this (courtesy of Dr. Eggerichs): Think of a grain of sand. In the human eye it produces irritation and infection. In an oyster it produces a pearl. The sand is neutral, neither good nor bad. It simply reveals the character of those it interacts with.

That is an oversimplification for Satan. I'm not saying he is neutral. The Bible attributes much evil to him. But ... beware asking God to destroy evil, for in so doing one may be calling down fire on one's own head.
 
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Hm, well one could say, why let Satan start in the first place? God could presumably have kept Him out of harm's way in the beginning.
One possible aspect of it is so that we learn to come under only God's authority, and worship Him alone from whom allTruth and love comes, and to exercise the (true) authority He gave us originally in the Garden (in Christ). I think that we can only function properly by obeying God and receiving His life...and I think that perhaps we learn to do that by facing adversity.
Sorry if that all seems rather muddled, but I was typing as I was thinking, and it's a big subject, which I certainly don't understand fully.
 
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Why does God allow Satan to continue for so many milleniums, watching human suffer so much pain when God has the power to destroy Satan and his angels instantly?

That God could have ended the career of Satan before it began needs no defense. Therefore, your question about what motivates His permission of evil at all is valid.

Though none of us could ever be placed in a position where we could possess a sufficient number of facts on which we could sit in judgment of His purpose, the actualities point in a certain direction.

As seen in the various dispensations and in instances of personal relation to God, He evidently, and as a general rule of procedure, puts the propositions which the creature proposes to an experimental test. He did just this in the case of Satan's assertion that Job, under stress, would repudiate Jehovah. The claim could have been denied because God knew it to be untrue, but Satan was given authority to put the untruth to an experimental test. Is it possible that Job serves as a type or representation of the larger issues now being consumated in the whole world?

Satan's determination to build a structure of independent relationships around himself as the center and totally autonomous with respect to the Creator was permitted so it could be tested experimentally to its end. When Satan and his theory come up for final judgment and execution, the lie will be conceded to be a lie. How could free moral agents be convinced apart from a demonstration which left no room for even one voice to be heard that might claim the lie would have been proved truth had it been allowed?

In Christ,
Tracey
 
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Why does God allow Satan to continue for so many milleniums, watching human suffer so much pain when God has the power to destroy Satan and his angels instantly? It seems a bit cruel to have God with all the power he has to just watch the sufferings on earth for so long like watching a long gory movie.

Hello,

I am new to this site and I hope I have posted this in the right forum. My teenaged son has a some questions which has been fueling inside him for years and I do not have the answers to. I wonder whether anyone might be able to come up with some possibilities?

Satan is not the one who causes the sin in this world. Satan is only a very minor character in the Bible and plays very little, if any, direct role in the lives of humans. People are the ones who cause problems in the world. Take Israel, for example. Throughout the Old Testament God gives them the opportunity to be his people and inhabit the land promised to their ancestors if they would only obey him, yet instead they chose to do evil and worship other gods. No mention is ever made of Satan having anything to do with Israel’s disobedience, as it was their choice.

Satan merely serves as an alternative to God, so that people have a choice to make while here on Earth. Since being able to love God requires that the possibly to not love God exists, Satan serves a useful purpose for a time. Whenever God decides to end the world, Satan and all those who have followed in his footsteps will be punished.

Satan was a real being that God created, and was the first to rebel against him, but just like God does not force us to do things, neither can Satan. The Bible doesn’t give much detail about Satan, but from what I can gather it is my guess that Satan attempted to challenge God’s authority by claim he is a poor leader. It seems unlikely that Satan thought he was more powerful than God, but rather Satan thinks he is smarter than God and that he could be a better ruler than God. Ephesians 3 mentions that God’s wisdom would be shown to the rules and authorities in the heavenly places through believers, which I’m guessing refers to God proving to everyone in the “heavenly places” that his leadership is better than Satan’s.

Like I said, it’s just a guess, but I think it is a very good guess that explains the question of what Satan has to do with us humans. Whether I’m right or wrong, however, Satan still plays little if direct role in our lives. The problem of sin in the world is due to people. People have freewill, and if everyone would choose to stop sinning, then the problem of sin would be gone. Using Satan as a scapegoat for the problem of sin just isn’t Biblical.
 
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Satan is not the one who causes the sin in this world. Satan is only a very minor character in the Bible and plays very little, if any, direct role in the lives of humans.

Minor character?

Satan appears in the Bible with prominence, importance, and power second only to the Godhead Three. Scripture traces him from his creation, throughout his career, and on to his final judgment. Such distinction is not accorded to another angel, or to any human being, however they may be used of God. No other is so analyzed and published concerning his motives, methods, character, and purpose as is this one.

Christians should give heed to this major doctrine of the Bible which reveals the truth concerning a being who is the originator of sin, the promoter of it both in the angelic and human spheres, and the most domineering opponent of the things of God.

It's not without reason that the Bible declares that Satan as a roaring lion goes about seeking whom he may devour (1 Pet. 5:8).

In Christ,
Tracey
 
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There is more than one reason why God is allowing Satan to continue his insane and reckless career of rebellion and sin in our world, but I believe that you will one day realize one particular reason why this is true:

God is allowing Satan to accrue or ring up a bigger bill towards his liability for prosecution, for the purpose of increasing his punishment, for the purpose of glorifying all the more the strict and vindictive justice of God.

This is far from being a cheery and pleasant thought for us to ponder as regards the same identical Being whom the saints everlastingly adore, worship, love and praise as being the "Author of their salvation". However, we do not know how much a perfectly infinite God hates sin and Satan, as we are only finite specks totally unable to comprehend the infinite guilt that Satan will no doubt be liable for.

Some conjecture that Satan is sinning more in the hope that God will not find it in himself the willingness to infinitely punish such an extraordinary rebel, but as Satan has begun his career as a great fool, he will likewise end it as an even greater fool, to his own dismay. We do not know how much God hates sin and Satan, and that awful, terrible day of judgment will certainly prove the truth of the biting scripture, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God" Hebrews 10:31. In that fiery day, God will measure out punishment "according to works", and will use the instrumentality of the immoderate and endlessly sinful Satan to prove to all worlds just how much God hates sin. The greatness of the sin of Satan will then demand a great punishment, and God will thereby be glorified all the greater as He of whom the worlds are but the "dust in the balances".
It is a very wise thing to reverentially fear such a divine Being.
 
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Hmm .... here something on suffering and knowing the God of resurrection:
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But why do we stress the distinction between the living God and the God of resurrection? Because, while the living God can perform many acts on man's behalf, the nature of the living God cannot blend with the nature of man. When, on the other hand, the God of resurrection works, His very nature is wrought into the nature of man. Brothers and sisters, please note carefully that even when the living God has performed some act on your behalf, after that act as before it, He is still He and you are still you. His working on your behalf does not impart anything of His nature to you. The living God can work on behalf of man, but the nature of the living God cannot unite with the nature of man. On the other hand, when the God of resurrection works, He communicates Himself to man by that which He does for him. Let me cite two illustrations.

When the children of Israel were in a hopeless plight in the wilderness, the living God opened a way for them across the Red Sea. The dividing of the Red Sea was a miracle which demonstrated to them that God was the living God, yet that miracle performed for them did not bring any measure of the life of God into them. They witnessed many other divine acts in the wilderness—e.g., God gave them bread from heaven and water out of the rock—but despite those and other wonders performed by God for them, nothing of God Himself was thereby imparted to them.

In contrast to this, the apostle Paul testifies to knowing not only the living God, but also the God of resurrection. Paul was so sorely tried that he despaired of life, but it was thus he learned to trust in the God who raises the dead. When the God of resurrection acted on his behalf to raise him from the dead, that divine act not only accomplished something for Paul; it also communicated God's own nature to Paul.

Brothers and sisters, do discriminate here. The miracles wrought for Israel in the wilderness were acts of the living God; but despite the many miracles wrought for them, nothing of God was wrought into their constitutions. The miracles wrought for Paul were wrought by the God of resurrection, and each fresh miracle wrought a fresh measure of God Himself into the life of Paul. Alas! though generations have passed since the resurrection, many Christians are almost ignorant of the God of resurrection and are only interested in the living God. Let me try and bring this matter home to our daily lives.

A brother becomes seriously ill. His case is considered hopeless, but God has mercy on him and works a miracle on his behalf so that he recovers. Thereafter, he testifies to the fact that God is the living God. Yet within a short time of his recovery he plunges right into the world. Even when he is living in the world, he still remembers that God is the living God and that God preserved his life from death. But he has experienced no increase of divine life; he has only experienced a miracle of healing.

Another brother becomes ill. Day after day passes without a vestige of improvement. For long he keeps hovering at the edge of the grave. Then, when he has completely despaired of life, in the depths of his being he gradually becomes aware of God. Resurrection life begins to work within, and he awakens to the fact that this resurrection life is a life that can overcome all affliction and can even swallow up death. He is still conscious of much weakness and is sorely tested; nevertheless, the realization deepens that God is not working to make His might known in external acts, but is working to impart Himself. Light breaks upon him gradually, and gradually health returns. This brother does not just experience a healing; he comes into a new experience of God. The other brother could testify to a miracle wrought in his body, and shortly after could plunge right into the world; but if this brother gives a word of testimony there is nothing sensational about it, and there is no stress on the healing; yet, you meet God in his life.


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What is the significance of suffering? This, that the devastation it brings to the old creation provides an opportunity for the God of resurrection to impart Himself to His creatures, so that they emerge from the death process with a divine element in their constitution. The primary purpose of suffering in this universe, particularly as it relates to the children of God, is that through it the very nature of God may be wrought into the nature of man. "If indeed our outward man is decaying, yet our inward man is being renewed day by day." Through a process of outward decay an inward process is taking place that is adding a new constituent to our lives.

Beloved brothers and sisters, through hardship and pressure a divine element is being wrought into the very fabric of our beings, so that we cease to be colorless Christians, but have a heavenly hue imparted to our lives that was lacking before. Whatever else suffering may effect in this universe is incidental; this is primary—to bring those whom the living God has made possessors of created life into the uncreated life of the God of resurrection. It is in the death experiences which come through suffering that the life of the creature is blended with the life of the Creator. We may know the living God without such drastic experiences, but only through death can we come to an experimental knowledge of the God of resurrection.

Suffering is the God-appointed lot of the Christian. The Christian's happiness is not to be found in external things, but in learning to enjoy God Himself in the midst of trial. Paul and Silas could rejoice and sing His praises while they were in prison, because their happiness did not come from outer circumstances, but from an inner enjoyment of God. In Paul's short letter to the Philippians, written during his imprisonment, there are over a score of references to joy. In deep distress he could still be joyful because in his affliction he was learning to know Christ, to appropriate Him and to enjoy Him. His outward circumstances were all conducive to sorrow, but it was in sorrow that Christ was imparted to him as the source of his joy.
 
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St Cyril of Jerusalem explains why,

"He suffered him [Satan] to live, for two purposes, that he might disgrace himself the more in his defeat, and that mankind might be crowned with victory. O all wise Providence of God! Which takes the wicked purposes for a groundwork of salvation for the faithful. For as He took the unbrotherly purpose of Joseph's brethren for a groundwork of His own dispensation, and, by permitting them to ell their brother from hatred, took occasion to make him king whom He would; so he permitted the devil to wrestle, that the victors might be crowned; and that when victory was gained, he might be more disgraced as being conquered by the weaker, and men be greatly honored as having conquered him was once an Archangel."

- St Cyril of Jerusalem
 
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Have you ever wondered why Satan did not just go over and eat from the tree of life? The dragon, Leviathan, Satan, are all metaphors for man's evil pride. It was Adam and Eve's evil human pride which tempted them. There is not a little red horned demond that crawls into your head and tries to get you to sin. It is your own human pride which leads people into sin.

The Satan who falls at Armageddon is mankind's evil human pride in secular power. Jesus takes over as King and Ruler of the world at Armageddon. It is Jesus taking over as Ruler which displaces man's evil pride in ruling the world. Thus the 'fall of Satan from heaven', at Armageddon is really the fall from power of mankind's evil pride.

The reason Satan is imprisoned and not destroyed is because God would have to elliminate free will in order for mankind to no longer be able to tempt himself into sin. Obedience to God is love for God. When free will ends, we can no longer produce love for God through obedience to God.

Saints in heaven cannot sin so after doomsday, Satan will no longer exist. Saints in heaven have a treasure of love for God from when they had free will on earth, but they cannot love God more. There is, was and never will be any Satan in heaven.
 
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Have you ever wondered why Satan did not just go over and eat from the tree of life?
Because he had no authority to do so. Satan may be at enmity with God, but he does not act without God's permission. Furthermore, Satan was not in bodily form (God never permits that), but he was indwelling the serpent.
 
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Why does God allow Satan to continue for so many milleniums, watching human suffer so much pain when God has the power to destroy Satan and his angels instantly? It seems a bit cruel to have God with all the power he has to just watch the sufferings on earth for so long like watching a long gory movie.

Hello,

I am new to this site and I hope I have posted this in the right forum. My teenaged son has a some questions which has been fueling inside him for years and I do not have the answers to. I wonder whether anyone might be able to come up with some possibilities?
How do you know the suffering is always caused by Satan? It can also be the result of irreverence or impenitence or it could be predetermined (in which God is not involved).

Anyways, Satan does God's will. What better way is there to demonstrate His defeat of Satan than to have him to do God's will? Satan is a defeated foe, having no free will and no power at all. It is God who we should fear.
 
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