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I don't know why you're asking for statements but I can give examples.

Here
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Took a while to find but this forum's search tool is pretty good at its job, but here's four examples.

And no, the theory of music is not misused at all since music theory is a thing.
hypothesis and theories are both equally valuable in science.


Hypothesis guides the research work or study.

A well-formulated hypothesis guides the entire research process. It ensures that the study remains focused and purposeful. For instance, a hypothesis about the impact of social media on interpersonal relationships provides clear guidance for a study.

Hypothesis sometimes suggests theories.

In some cases, a hypothesis can suggest new theories or modifications to existing ones. For example, a hypothesis testing the effectiveness of a new drug might prompt a reconsideration of current medical theories.

 
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A hypothesis and theories are both equally valuable in science.


Hypothesis guides the research work or study.

A well-formulated hypothesis guides the entire research process. It ensures that the study remains focused and purposeful. For instance, a hypothesis about the impact of social media on interpersonal relationships provides clear guidance for a study.

Hypothesis sometimes suggests theories.

In some cases, a hypothesis can suggest new theories or modifications to existing ones. For example, a hypothesis testing the effectiveness of a new drug might prompt a reconsideration of current medical theories.

Good job at completely avoiding what I pointed out.
 
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I don't know why you're asking for statements but I can give examples.

Here
Here
Here
and
Here

Took a while to find but this forum's search tool is pretty good at its job, but here's four examples.

And no, the theory of music is not misused at all since music theory is a thing.
Yes people will use some words to avoid truths. Call things theories because they can't face the truth. That's not misused but deliberate
 
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So you do accept and admit that people do misuse words like theory then?
I agree people will use any word to avoid things, certainly doesn't mean the words should be took out of the English language.
 
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I'm sorry you dont understand what I'm saying.

How about the whole article is just a theory there's no truth to what's said. It's a opinion


Disparaging remarks are against forum rules.
Please cooperate in a civil and orderly thread.
 
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I agree people will use any word to avoid things, certainly doesn't mean the words should be took out of the English language.

No-one has said they should be taken out of the English language... where did you even get that from?
 
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Disparaging remarks are against forum rules.
Please cooperate in a civil and orderly thread.
Because you don't agree isn't against forum rules. Your being petty
 
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No-one has said they should be taken out of the English language... where did you even get that from?
From the article, some scientists think they shouldn't be is what I read. Though I did misunderstood it wasn't from the English language my bust sorry.
 
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From the article, some scientists think they should be is what I read.

Okay, 'replacing' is not the same as 'removing' or 'taking out'. A primary school child would know the difference.

That misunderstanding is entirely on you.
 
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Okay, 'replacing' is not the same as 'removing' or 'taking out'. A primary school child would know the difference.

That misunderstanding is entirely on you.
I corrected the post, it wasn't from the language but replacing.
 
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I corrected the post, it wasn't from the language but replacing.

Yes, entirely from your own misunderstanding of what was written.

There is nothing wrong with the idea of replacing the words used in science with words that are more colloquially known between laymen and non-laymen to mean a certain thing, and model is a good term to use. But it is also true that better science education is a good step to avoid people misusing scientific terms and words.

But that wouldn't stop some people genuinely and deliberately misusing words like theory to describe and disparage scientific theories as 'just a theory'.
 
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Yes, entirely from your own misunderstanding of what was written.

There is nothing wrong with the idea of replacing the words used in science with words that are more colloquially known between laymen and non-laymen to mean a certain thing, and model is a good term to use. But it is also true that better science education is a good step to avoid people misusing scientific terms and words.

But that wouldn't stop some people genuinely and deliberately misusing words like theory to describe and disparage scientific theories as 'just a theory'.
You know what would happen nothing, it's just a model. What ever it's changed to that will be the word used. Something being misused is unavoidable.
 
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You know what would happen nothing, it's just a model. What ever it's changed to that will be the word used. Something being misused is unavoidable.

Now that is the most sensible thing you've said throughout this whole thread.
 
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After years of these interactions it becomes clear that there are a number of causes for this statement:

1. Bad teaching about "the scientific method" that places a sequence of scientific ideas as hypothesis becomes theory becomes law. This seems to have been removed from curricula and textbooks, but many of us haven't taken HS science in a very long time.

2. People confuse the colloquial, non-scientific use of "theory" as a sort of guessed explanation with the scientific usage.

3. At this point "just a theory" is a creationist meme used to denigrate evolution that circulates widely in certain circles. Most adults that are in churches that are or lean creationist have probably heard it in some context before.

4. Other than those long-ago HS science classes where they did hear of "Germ Theory" or the "Theory of Gravity", etc., most adults do not realize that other important scientific domains are also represented by "mere theories".

5. Some consider "Lying for Jesus" to be acceptable and propagate the "Just a theory" meme or even use it as an argument when the know the basic nature of the scientific use of the word.

For any individual, multiple causes from the above list. Those that become informed about the proper usage of the term and still persist (#5) should be met with disdain.
 
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There is no single list called "The Scientific Method." It is a myth.


The rules of a science-fair typically require that students follow THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD, or in other words, hypothesis-experiment-conclusion. The students must propose a hypothesis and test it by experiment. This supposedly is the "Scientific Method" used by all scientists. Supposedly, if you don't follow the rigidly defined "Scientific Method" listed in K-6 textbooks, then you're not doing science. (Some science fairs even ban astronomy and paleontology projects. After all, where's the "experiment" in these?)


Unfortunately this is wrong, and there is no single "Scientific Method" as such. Scientists don't follow a rigid procedure-list called "The Scientific Method" in their daily work. The procedure-list is a myth spread by K-6 texts. It is an extremely widespread myth, and even some scientists have been taken in by it, but this doesn't make it any more real. "The Scientific Method" is part of school and school books, and is not how science in general is done. Real scientists use a large variety of methods (perhaps call them methods of science rather than "The Scientific Method.") Hypothesis / experiment / conclusion is one of these, and it's very important in experimental science such as physics and chemistry, but it's certainly not the only method. It would be a mistake to elevate it above all others. We shouldn't force children to memorize any such procedure list. And we shouldn't use it to exclude certain types of projects from science fairs! If "The Scientific Method" listed in a grade school textbook proves that Astronomy is not a science, then it's the textbook which is wrong, not Astronomy.


"Ask a scientist what he conceives the scientific method to be and he adopts an expression that is at once solemn and shifty-eyed: solemn, because he feels he ought to declare an opinion; shifty-eyed because he is wondering how to conceal the fact that he has no opinion to declare." - Sir Peter Medawar

There are many parts of science that cannot easily be forced into the mold of "hypothesis-experiment-conclusion." Astronomy is not an experimental science, and Paleontologists don't perform Paleontology experiments... so is it not proper Science if you study stars or classify extinct creatures?


Or, if a scientist has a good idea for designing a brand new kind of measurement instrument (e.g. Newton and the reflecting telescope) ...that certainly is "doing science." Humphrey Davy says "Nothing tends so much to the advancement of knowledge as the application of a new instrument." But where is The Hypothesis? Where is The Experiment? The Atomic Force Microscope (STM/AFM) revolutionized science. Yet if a student invented the very first reflector telescope or the very first AFM, wouldn't such a device be rejected from many school science fairs? After all, it's not an experiment, and the lists called "Scientific Method" say nothing about exploratory observation. Some science teachers would reject the STM as science; calling it 'mere engineering,' yet like the Newtonian reflector, the tunneling microscope is a revolution that opened up an entire new branch of science. Since it's instrument-inventing, not hypothesis-testing, should we exclude it as science? Were the creators of the STM not doing science when they came up with that device? In defining Science, the Nobel prize committee disagrees with the science teachers and science fair judges. The researchers who created the STM won the 1986 Nobel prize in physics. I'd say that if someone wins a Nobel prize in physics, it's a good bet that their work qualifies as "science."
Forcing kids to follow a caricature of scientific research distorts science, and it really isn't necessary in the first place.
Another example: great discoveries often come about when scientists notice anomalies. They see something inexplicable during older research, and that triggers some new research. Or sometimes they notice something weird out in Nature; something not covered by modern theory. Isaac Asimov said it well:
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny...' "

This suggests that lots of important science comes NOT from proposing hypotheses or even from performing experiments, but instead comes from unguided observation and curiosity-driven exploration: from sniffing about while learning to see what nobody else can see. Scientific discovery comes from something resembling "informed messing around," or unguided play. Yet the "Scientific Method" listed in textbooks says nothing about this, their lists start out with "form a hypothesis." As a result, educators treat science as deadly serious business, and "messing around" is sometimes dealt with harshly.

SOURCE: AMASCI
 
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There is no single list called "The Scientific Method." It is a myth.

Amazingly... this has nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

We're talking about theories, not the scientific method.
 
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A hike is a healthy strengthening activity. Id recommend it to anyone.
Could we maybe not encourage the behaviour which
got the last thread on this topic closed down?
 
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The short answer is that the demarcation between life and not-life is fuzzy. There is no clear definition.
I have a book - that's my way of saying I really can't be fussed to look it our right now, but will do so if pressed - in which the author speaks of a science conference at which the attendees, biologists, biochemists, etc, were asked to offer their indivdual definitions of life. From around 120 participants they got over 130 definitions. I think that says it all.
 
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