Why isn't Christianity another form of Judaism.

eachallberg said:

If the bible is the Word... That means the bible or the words in it, created everything (according to the author of John).

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I guess you've never been told that some words have more than one meaning.

Albion said:

I guess you've never been told that some words have more than one meaning.

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Those double meanings got there the same way words like bling-bling got there.

AeonJ said:

Why is it its own religion?

It seem to come from Judaism.

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The official yet unoften heard name of Christianity is Judeo-Christianity (i.e., historically related to both Judaism and Christianity as indicated in the term "Judeo-Christian tradition"). Many Christians are seemingly unaware that they worship according to Judeo-Christian tradition, and that they are Judeo-Christians.

Christian evangelicals, fundamentalists, orthodox Christians, or whatever denomination a traditional Christian church affiliates with, they all have the same pro-Judaism roots whether or not they know or admit to it.

Heterodoxus said:

The official yet unoften heard name of Christianity is Judeo-Christianity (i.e., historically related to both Judaism and Christianity as indicated in the term "Judeo-Christian tradition"). Many Christians are seemingly unaware that they worship according to Judeo-Christian tradition, and that they are Judeo-Christians.

Christian evangelicals, fundamentalists, orthodox Christians, or whatever denomination a traditional Christian church affiliates with, they all have the same pro-Judaism roots whether or not they know or admit to it.

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Well, the term does not mean that it's a single religion.

It means that there is a tradition that binds the two of them together, but not that they have the same doctrines or practices.

I got this from Yahoo! India so it might be secularly slanted and maybe contain some inaccuracies but most of it is correct.

JUDAISM
- says that no human can ever die for the sins of others
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind

JUDAISM
- says that all humans are born pure, and innocent
CHRISTIANITY
- some say that all humans are born with 'original sin'.

JUDAISM
- says that God would never allow/enable a 'virgin birth'
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Mary gave birth, though a virgin

JUDAISM
- says that the Jewish Messiah won’t need a 'second coming'
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus will have a 'second coming'

JUDAISM/ISLAM
- says that every human should speak directly to God
CHRISTIANITY
- Jesus claims in the 'new testament' that the 'only way' to God is via him and often pray to Jesus before God

JUDAISM
- says God is one, indivisible, cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations
CHRISTIANITY
- some sects speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

JUDAISM
- says that we are ALL equally God's children
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus was 'god's son' above all others

JUDAISM
- has no concept of 'hell'
CHRISTIANITY
- *some* Christians believe non-believers go to 'hell'

JUDAISM
- the 'messiah' will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime
CHRISTIANITY
- Jesus was the 'messiah' and will fulfill the prophecies when he 'returns'

JUDAISM
- says that the righteous of ALL faiths will reach 'gan eden' or 'garden of eden'.
CHRISTIANITY
- some Christians insist that only those who 'know Christ' can reach heaven

JUDAISM
- The “law”/covenant is seen as a blessing, not a burden that can never be fulfilled. Being perfect isn’t the point in Judaism. Being aware of the 613 commandments, we have God on our minds almost hourly. That is part of the covenant, we obey God’s laws and God ensures Judaism will survive forever.
CHRISTIANITY
- Views the commandments as restrictive and impossible. It is believed in Christianity that the death of Jesus was necessary because living by the laws is impossible and view the commandments as something of a curse.

JUDAISM
- forbids Jews from trying to convert anyone to Judaism
CHRISTIANITY
- believes in actively 'witnessing' and encouraging people to convert to Christianity

JUDAISM
- The Torah remains unchanged
CHRISTIANITY
- differences from the original Torah

JUDAISM
- no concept of original sin
CHRISTIANITY
- some sects of Christianity believe in “original sin” to justify the need for a savior. Others believe that humankind cannot keep from sinning and requires a savior to cleanse them.

The post ^ has some truths to it. Problem is that it's to vague.

I got this from Yahoo! India so it might be secularly slanted and maybe contain some inaccuracies but most of it is correct.

JUDAISM
- says that no human can ever die for the sins of others
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind

untrue... the idea of the righteous suffering in place of the living is well borne out in ancient Jewish writings, particurly the aggadic materials

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JUDAISM
- says that all humans are born pure, and innocent
CHRISTIANITY
- some say that all humans are born with 'original sin'.

untrue... Judaism teaches (at least in some of the orthodox schools) that people are created with two souls, the neshamah and the nephesh. The latter has an urge to go down and the former an urge to reach up. There is a huge difference between original sin and sinning. One does not necessarily imply the other.

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JUDAISM
- says that God would never allow/enable a 'virgin birth'
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Mary gave birth, though a virgin

Judaism is well aware that virgin births occur (although very infrequently) amongst the human population.

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JUDAISM
- says that the Jewish Messiah won’t need a 'second coming'
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus will have a 'second coming'

Again not so. The aggadic materials can be used to support the 'classical' Christian position.

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JUDAISM/ISLAM
- says that every human should speak directly to God
CHRISTIANITY
- Jesus claims in the 'new testament' that the 'only way' to God is via him and often pray to Jesus before God

The argument here is ridiculous. Do you really believe the Prophets approached God in the OT through Jesus. This is a sad misunderstanding of both religions.

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JUDAISM
- says God is one, indivisible, cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations
CHRISTIANITY
- some sects speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

They need to do their homework better, historically Judaisms allowed for the sephirot as is evidence through the kabbalistic philosophies. The idea that God is indivisible is absolutely true. The new testament for the most part teaches a binitarian position. The concept of the trinity is simply just that, a concept, a dogma. It is the 'best' effort we have yet produced that can adequately explain what is revealed in the Scriptures. We need only look inside Judaism at concepts such as the Sophia (wisdom), Logos, Devar, Memra and such things to see that just as the one Sun in the sky can produce a multiplicity of sunbeams, so too the One God can make himself known in a multiplicity of ways. Though it is still the one God.

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JUDAISM
- says that we are ALL equally God's children
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus was 'god's son' above all others

Yet even here we fall down. The concept of God's Son generally does not denote divinity but rather the individual with whom God speaks.

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JUDAISM
- has no concept of 'hell'
CHRISTIANITY
- *some* Christians believe non-believers go to 'hell'

What utter rubbish. Many times in the writings of the Sages and the Rabbis we see that Gehenna was created before the Sabbath came to be.

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JUDAISM
- the 'messiah' will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime
CHRISTIANITY
- Jesus was the 'messiah' and will fulfill the prophecies when he 'returns'

In some respects this is true... the Jewish tradition speaks of the enduring Spirit Messiah who resides in heaven, to whom all believers in the God of Israel will be united with. The problem in this section, is that it makes no distinction between the Olam Haeh and the Olan Haba, that is the Messianic Age and the Age to Come.

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JUDAISM
- says that the righteous of ALL faiths will reach 'gan eden' or 'garden of eden'.
CHRISTIANITY
- some Christians insist that only those who 'know Christ' can reach heaven

No not really, it teaches that all Israel have a share in the world to come. What their share is, is open to debate.

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JUDAISM
- The “law”/covenant is seen as a blessing, not a burden that can never be fulfilled. Being perfect isn’t the point in Judaism. Being aware of the 613 commandments, we have God on our minds almost hourly. That is part of the covenant, we obey God’s laws and God ensures Judaism will survive forever.
CHRISTIANITY
- Views the commandments as restrictive and impossible. It is believed in Christianity that the death of Jesus was necessary because living by the laws is impossible and view the commandments as something of a curse.

The viewpoint expressed here in regards the 'Law' is accurate. The viewpoint from the Christian side is flawed. The Law is not meant to be kept as a 100% issue. It has safeguards within it for when you do fail. Therefore to 'keep all the law' you have to fail. The Law is described as holy, righteous. The commandments in the NT are described as good. The heavenly words delivered by God to Moses echo through eternity and they are not subject to be changed. What is being described here in principally a Lutheran position that pits Grace against Works.. the problem was, the the 'Law' is not meant to gain you salvation. In fact from a purely tradional Jewish perspective, the way to relationship with God is based on the blessings and promises to the Patriarchs. The Law explicitly says this.

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JUDAISM
- forbids Jews from trying to convert anyone to Judaism
CHRISTIANITY
- believes in actively 'witnessing' and encouraging people to convert to Christianity

It is this way now, but it did not used to be. Active Proselytizing is openly discussed in ancient Jewish writings. Both focred conversion to Judaisms and by free will. Proselytizing was only outlawed later by Rome in the 2nd centry and Judaism never really recovered from this mentality.

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JUDAISM
- The Torah remains unchanged
CHRISTIANITY
- differences from the original Torah

God's words echo through eternity. He cannot change his words as they are a reflection of what is in His heart (so to speak).

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JUDAISM
- no concept of original sin
CHRISTIANITY
- some sects of Christianity believe in “original sin” to justify the need for a savior. Others believe that humankind cannot keep from sinning and requires a savior to cleanse them.

discussed earlier.

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Whoever wrote this article was either a poorly informed Christian with little grasp of Church history, or a poorly informed Jewish person with little grasp of their own history. Either way it is a sad set of presumptions and caricatures.



Steve

AeonJ said:

Why is it its own religion?

It seem to come from Judaism.

I'm confused because Mormonism comes from other parts of Christianity. And we still belong to the same group.

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Judaism broke away from God whilst the Jews were in captivity, as Jesus pointed out several ways...

paganised Roman Christianity broke away from Hebrew Christianity of Jesus [the Jew] when Rome decreed Sunday in place of sabbaths and started killing Hebrew Christians for not obeying Rome , keeping holy sabbaths instead... and Roe razed the seven churches of God to the ground killing and scattering God's saints , instigated hierarchical Christianity of many sinners in place of the couple of thousand saints following Jesus and doing as he commanded, looking for the children of the lost house of Israel amongst the gentiles worldwide... the 'temple for Christian saints became their own bodies as that is the only place one can find the kingdom of God in this world, very different in the next...

Mormonism is just one of many groups split off by sinners who saw the faults of mainline Christianity, but didnt have spirit baptism of saints or realise one could get it only by ceasing to sin...

netzarim said:

Mainstream Christianity follows its founder, Paul.

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Goodness cannot be against goodness.
Christians are for God, for God is all.

The word of God is true.

cyberlizard said:

JUDAISM
- says that no human can ever die for the sins of others
CHRISTIANITY
- says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind

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The word of God forbear the sins so that man is without excuse. Choose God or perish. All have a chance to accept God. Gods word is good.

cyberlizard said:

The argument here is ridiculous. Do you really believe the Prophets approached God in the OT through Jesus. This is a sad misunderstanding of both religions.

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Gods word is good.

cyberlizard said:

JUDAISM
- no concept of original sin
CHRISTIANITY
- some sects of Christianity believe in “original sin” to justify the need for a savior. Others believe that humankind cannot keep from sinning and requires a savior to cleanse them.

discussed earlier.

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"Original sin"? That sounds confusing.

Gods word purify's His own. By the grace of God alone.

if you are going to quote something, at least quote it from the original...

you make it sound like the quotes you have are my beliefs.


Steve

sorry:-

JUDAISM
- no concept of original sin
CHRISTIANITY
- some sects of Christianity believe in “original sin” to justify the need for a savior. Others believe that humankind cannot keep from sinning and requires a savior to cleanse them.

discussed earlier.

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Albion said:

Well, the term does not mean that it's a single religion.

It means that there is a tradition that binds the two of them together, but not that they have the same doctrines or practices.

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I rest my case (see post# 23, above).

Heterodoxus said:

I rest my case (see post# 23, above).

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the bible gives a very different picture because the scriptures originally reflected the truth of God whereas modern Judeo-Christian movement is toward the unified world religion of Satan -Rev 13:3-4-

and just as Rome changed the day of worship making sabbath-keeping illegal , punishable by death by order of Roman Emperors [who were later claimed to be popes under authority of Peter [whom they had crucified for keeping sabbaths] , an authority Jesus never gave up ever, still has as high priest of his church of saints [soon to be immortal king-priests in the new earth kingdom come] ... Peter would hardly give his pagan executioners control even if he had had such control. it is simply a lie on which modern Christianity rests almost exclusively...

the true Hebrew Christian saints were thus easily identified and routed by Rome, offering no resistance as Jesus commands... they were crucified, put to the sword, fed to lions but Rome's only solution to the Christian problem, the popularity of Jesus' teachings , was to steal Christ's name for their new pagan religion with pagan Roman days in place of holy days of memorial to God's plan, a hierarchy of sinners as mock priests in place of Jesus' saints living in equality with Jesus alone as their leader, pagan rituals , pagan buildings , pagan riches, but with the priests dressed up as OT priests of the defunct Levite priesthood of the old covenant [because new covenant priests have no uniform, they live amongst the poor as poor, mostly alone, sharing everything with the poor , often starving , always looking for the lost house of Israel's children amongst the gentiles for the next generation of priests of God because saints have short lives in this earth...

one cannot really conceive of their being more differences between the fake sinner 'ministers of righteousness' of Satan and the saints of God...

but there are only around two thousand saints alive at any one time [Rev 7:3-8, Jude 1:14] whereas the number of fake 'sinner priests' [oxymoron] is many hundreds of thousands alive today ... Satan is winning easily , saints can scarcely keep up with the death rate4 of saints but that is exactly what God allows , and for good reason...

God requires Jesus' church of saints to be 144,000 by the time of Jesus' return as that is the ideal number of priest-kings for the kingdom... if each of them saved only as many as Jesus saved in this earth then that would be 20 billion gentiles saved in the new earth, a figure of the same order as the number of men that ever lived... so we can see why it is enough for God's power process [as described in Jesus' parables of his kingdom come]

the facts of scripture are then that religion will unite , almost all Jews and all Christian sinners will think Satan is the Christ, not the final Antichrist , and the last saints alive will be persecuted by the whole world as 'heretics ' to Satan's mass religion of sinners...

eachallberg said:

The post ^ has some truths to it. Problem is that it's too vague.

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exactly.. it's about as much use as any man-made religion, a package deal of truth and deceptions jumbled into an obfuscation of even the clarity of the Truth of Love , some of it subtle changes from God's Truth , some less so...

All of Gods own are aware of the truth, for the truth has called it's own and all of it's own abide in truth itself. All of Gods own recieve it's own and abide strong and none shall seperate them. In the congregation of Gods own, all else is already defeated. God judges the hearts and His hearts are pure and Gods own, none shall seperate them from Gods hand, for God is purpose itself, the newness, the eternal. God(Love) is the victory.

strangertoo said:

exactly.. it's about as much use as any man-made religion, a package deal of truth and deceptions jumbled into an obfuscation of even the clarity of the Truth of Love , some of it subtle changes from God's Truth , some less so...

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Amen, Strangertoo....

someguy14 said:

All of Gods own are aware of the truth, for the truth has called it's own and all of it's own abide in truth itself. All of Gods own recieve it's own and abide strong and none shall seperate them. In the congregation of Gods own, all else is already defeated. God judges the hearts and His hearts are pure and Gods own, none shall seperate them from Gods hand, for God is purpose itself, the newness, the eternal. God(Love) is the victory.

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and there is the greatest thing about the Truth of the Love of God, it captures everyone in the end ... those who are first just help the rest to see Love is the best wat for everyone to live... and God's great Plan ensures no-one fails to get the message , that it all ends happily despite that it gets beyond terrible after eviil rules this earth almost completely... God could not stop men choosing to be ruled in religion and secular life by men who peddle easy lies for a living ... it was our worst mistake , there are terrible consequences we chose by trusting liars to run the earth and religion of men...