Why is there something instead of nothing?

[bhsmte]

However you want to frame it, when the animal origin ego of the human becomes sufficiently dissatisfied with itself, then and there great potential comes into being for the faith candidate. That was my experience. It may one day happen to you, then you will understand.

Yes, that is how I wish to frame it, based on personal psyche and personal psychological need.

And, I was once in a similar position as yours regarding believing in the Christian God. Been there, done that and acquired new knowledge and understanding, that made that belief, impossible to reconcile any longer with reality.

Different strokes, for different folks.

 

[Colter]

Yes, you are often confused. Taking things on faith always leads to confusion. I'm talking about any consciousness at all Colter, be it a god, a person or a chipmunk. The issue of metaphysical primacy has specifically to do with the necessary relationship between consciousness and existence. Do the object of consciousness conform to the subject or is it the other way around. Existence cannot hold primacy and not hold primacy at the same time and in the same respect. That's a contradiction. That is why any argument for a creator god is instantly self refuting. If even one consciousness enjoys primacy over it's objects it means that consciousness has primacy.
The statement that these are narrow terms is laughable since all of the concepts involved are the most basic, most fundamental concepts there are. "existence" denotes everything that exists, everything that has existed and everything that will exist in the future. "Consciousness" denotes all consciousnesses. "objects" means any object of consciousness whether it is an entity, action or attribute or some other class of existent that hasn't been discovered yet.

No, these are not narrow terms. They are so fundamental that an error involving them renders a whole worldview false. This is the fatal flaw of theism and Platonism and Kantianism and many other worldviews. Maybe you should actually learn what the fundamentals are of your own worldview first and then you will avoid contradicting yourself so much.

For me I view the universe as living within the primacy of God, the one and only uncaused reality. I'm observing the external world and the internal world through a spiritually indwelt mind. Mind co-ordinates the material realm and the spiritual realm. You seem stuck in just one dimension.

"A mechanistic philosophy of life and the universe cannot be scientific because science recognizes and deals only with materials and facts. Philosophy is inevitably superscientific. Man is a material fact of nature, but his life is a phenomenon which transcends the material levels of nature in that it exhibits the control attributes of mind and the creative qualities of spirit." UB 1955​

 

[Colter]

Yes, that is how I wish to frame it, based on personal psyche and personal psychological need.

And, I was once in a similar position as yours regarding believing in the Christian God. Been there, done that and acquired new knowledge and understanding, that made that belief, impossible to reconcile any longer with reality.

Different strokes, for different folks.

Even the apostles doubted so falling away isn't uncommon. However Christianity is primarily Paul's Pagan remix religion about Jesus. My faith is in the original pre-cross gospel, the religion of Jesus.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If I understand what you are saying, one has to believe in the deity to experience the miracle that makes you have faith in the existence of said deity... Your belief is circular

In case it was missed, Colter

 

[Colter]

In case it was missed, Colter

Well, sort of, I guess, for me before my Damascus road type of experience, I had a general belief but I was kind of indifferent, I was actually dominated by worldly interests, not interested in surrendering to Gods will or putting much more effort into it than getting high and thinking about it. But if I recall that you don't even have any belief in a deity?

Sorry for the quote but It just expresses it so well. That is to say these words express where I was, mere belief, and where I am now, living faith.

"Belief has attained the level of faith when it motivates life and shapes the mode of living. The acceptance of a teaching as true is not faith; that is mere belief. Neither is certainty nor conviction faith. A state of mind attains to faith levels only when it actually dominates the mode of living. Faith is a living attribute of genuine personal religious experience. One believes truth, admires beauty, and reverences goodness, but does not worship them; such an attitude of saving faith is centered on God alone, who is all of these personified and infinitely more.

Belief is always limiting and binding; faith is expanding and releasing. Belief fixates, faith liberates. But living religious faith is more than the association of noble beliefs; it is more than an exalted system of philosophy; it is a living experience concerned with spiritual meanings, divine ideals, and supreme values; it is God-knowing and man-serving. Beliefs may become group possessions, but faith must be personal. Theologic beliefs can be suggested to a group, but faith can rise up only in the heart of the individual religionist.​

 

[bhsmte]

Even the apostles doubted so falling away isn't uncommon. However Christianity is primarily Paul's Pagan remix religion about Jesus. My faith is in the original pre-cross gospel, the religion of Jesus.

Indeed, falling away is becoming more common.

Can't stop the knowledge train, it just keeps on moving along.

 

[Colter]

Indeed, falling away is becoming more common.

Can't stop the knowledge train, it just keeps on moving along.

.....then along came the Urantia revelation, the new bible for the foreseeable future until the next Son arrives.

 

[bhsmte]

.....then along came the Urantia revelation, the new bible for the foreseeable future until the next Son arrives.

You gotta love all those revelations. They come in handy, don't they?

 

[PsychoSarah]

.....then along came the Urantia revelation, the new bible for the foreseeable future until the next Son arrives.

Unless your belief is wrong, in which case, it might eventually die out. Personally, I think we'll be the end of our own species before that point though

 

[Colter]

Unless your belief is wrong, in which case, it might eventually die out. Personally, I think we'll be the end of our own species before that point though

Well, the UB has already been validated in several areas. The next great world crisis may humble mankind and cause it to return to the Fathers way.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, the UB has already been validated in several areas. The next great world crisis may humble mankind and cause it to return to the Fathers way.

Or the exact opposite. Don't assume events are going to go as you would prefer

 

[bhsmte]

Well, the UB has already been validated in several areas. The next great world crisis may humble mankind and cause it to return to the Fathers way.

How has it been validated?

 

[Colter]

How has it been validated?

You can read some of the reports here: Urantia News - Verifying History and Science in The Urantia Book

 

[PsychoSarah]

You can read some of the reports here: Urantia News - Verifying History and Science in The Urantia Book

Because you know, the site that directly profits from said text couldn't possibly be biased in its favor

 

[quatona]

"Why is there something instead of nothing?"
Why would you expect there to be nothing?

 

[Colter]

Because you know, the site that directly profits from said text couldn't possibly be biased in its favor

UB the news is run by a reader named Halbert Katzen, its a non profit site maintained by donations from readers. Its separate from the Trust that sells the book. BTW, the book is free online.

 

[Colter]

"Why is there something instead of nothing?"
Why would you expect there to be nothing?

There is something beyond the I AM because God so willed it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

UB the news is run by a reader named Halbert Katzen, its a non profit site maintained by donations from readers. Its separate from the Trust that sells the book. BTW, the book is free online.

Profit doesn't mean actual money all the time. In short, the site benefits from promoting that text, it is biased, and if you honestly can't tell that site is biased, you need some help with sources

 

[quatona]

There is something beyond the I AM because God so willed it.

That´s probably an answer (and possibly even a good one) to some question you´d like to be asked, but certainly not an answer to the question you wrote it in response to.

 

[Colter]

Profit doesn't mean actual money all the time. In short, the site benefits from promoting that text, it is biased, and if you honestly can't tell that site is biased, you need some help with sources

UB the news looks at scientific statements made in the Papers in the early 1900's that had not yet been validated by science but have subsequently been validated in light of new discoveries. They use science from scientist that don't have anything to do with the papers. But yea, the site is about caul sating the papers.

*we also know that some things have not yet been substantiated.

* some if the science appears to be wrong but the revelators dud forewarn us about certain revelatory limitations.