Why is there hatred of St. Paul?

[Gregory Thompson]

I’m not familiar with any Christian theologians who put any of Paul’s epistles in the second century. None of the early patristic writings give us this understanding.

It was the habit of the early church to date manuscripts earlier then they actually were so the doctrines in said writings would be accepted as coming from an apostle.

This is why I need to test what is written to see what fruit comes from the various possible applications.

 

[charsan]

That the Lord Jesus came to abolish obedience and promote love.

Except Christ said we had to be obedient John 14:15, so Jesus was anything but carefree

 

[charsan]

Yes but in neither the Great Schism nor the Reformation were the Apostolic epistles of St Paul questioned as Sacred Scriptures.

True but because of the Reformation people started doing what they wanted hence about 40,000 plus denominations now and the new rule CF had to implement

 

[redleghunter]

That the Lord Jesus came to abolish obedience and promote love.

You mean like that thread about a reality show and sexual promiscuity?

Is sexual promiscuity solely the arena of more liberal Christianity?

 

[redleghunter]

True but because of the Reformation people started doing what they wanted hence about 40,000 plus denominations now and the new rule CF had to implement

Lol it’s up to 40,000?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It’s a disputed topic over questionable skeptics.

"Not all true things are to be said to all men".
-Clement of Alexandria

It is because of this early church attitude, some information is missing.

 

[redleghunter]

It was the habit of the early church to date manuscripts earlier then they actually were so the doctrines in said writings would be accepted as coming from an apostle.

That’s an assertion. I would like to see the evidence for this statement.

 

[redleghunter]

This is why I need to test what is written to see what fruit comes from the various possible applications.

Would not that be like a medical doctor not taking into account decades of medical research and trying to diagnose out how to treat us?

And what you described is not Sola Scriptura but “Solo Meo.”

 

[redleghunter]

True but because of the Reformation people started doing what they wanted hence about 40,000 plus denominations now and the new rule CF had to implement

The only reason there are various denominations today is because there lacked a Church-State government to kill them off. Praise be to God such entities no longer exist and how we conquer souls and error is with the Gospel.

 

[redleghunter]

"Not all true things are to be said to all men".
-Clement of Alexandria

It is because of this early church attitude, some information is missing.

Going to need something better than a plucked quote from a guy who was not orthodox in theology at times.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That’s an assertion. I would like to see the evidence for this statement.

Early Christian Writings: New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, Church Fathers is a good site.

The commentary on 1st and 2nd Thessalonians is a good example.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Going to need something better than a plucked quote from a guy who was not orthodox in theology at times.

Talk about the Secret Gospel of Mark disappeared around the Gospel of John appeared.

Gospel of John Mark.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Would not that be like a medical doctor not taking into account decades of medical research and trying to diagnose out how to treat us?

And what you described is not Sola Scriptura but “Solo Meo.”

I'm into the fruit, since there are many textual variants, only by the fruit will we know it.

 

[redleghunter]

Early Christian Writings: New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, Church Fathers is a good site.

The commentary on 1st and 2nd Thessalonians is a good example.

Please point out the portions and make your argument. The majority of Christian theologians put both epistles well before 70 AD. That is from Protestant and Catholic sources.


Dating the NT

Appendix 8: Chronological Order of the Books of the New Testament - Bible Study Tools

On Dating The New Testament

http://www.scborromeo.org/papers/dating.pdf

More:

Dating The Books Of The New Testament

New Testament Books - Dating

Dating the New Testament

When were the Bible books written?

Timeline of New Testament Books - New Testament Charts (Bible History Online)

Dating The NT

The Authorship And Dating Of The New Testament

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Please point out the portions and make your argument. The majority of Christian theologians put both epistles well before 70 AD. That is from Protestant and Catholic sources.


Dating the NT

Appendix 8: Chronological Order of the Books of the New Testament - Bible Study Tools

On Dating The New Testament

http://www.scborromeo.org/papers/dating.pdf

More:

Dating The Books Of The New Testament

New Testament Books - Dating

Dating the New Testament

When were the Bible books written?

Timeline of New Testament Books - New Testament Charts (Bible History Online)

Dating The NT

The Authorship And Dating Of The New Testament

Eh, this is more of an armchair convo for me.

Go debate with the scholars that specialize in saying texts are older than church groups say they are.

my point is, their observation makes a lot of sense, that's all.

 

[redleghunter]

Talk about the Secret Gospel of Mark disappeared around the Gospel of John appeared.

Gospel of John Mark.

What’s the 19th-21st Century theory on this?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What’s the 19th-21st Century theory on this?

I really wouldn't know, this area of theology is just fun for me, I'm stating this, because you are obviously taking it very seriously and I didn't want to cause too much stress.

 

[redleghunter]

Eh, this is more of an armchair convo for me.

Go debate with the scholars that specialize in saying texts are older than church groups say they are.

my point is, their observation makes a lot of sense, that's all.

I must point out these scholars are mostly skeptics, not Christian and hail from the 19th century.

So I have to ask. Based on skeptic theories, what do you consider inspired Holy Scriptures? What does you canon look like?

 

[redleghunter]

I really wouldn't know, this area of theology is just fun for me, I'm stating this, because you are obviously taking it very seriously and I didn't want to cause too much stress.

I am taking this conversation seriously stress free. Why? Because it deals with inspired Holy Scriptures. Inspired Holy Scriptures of the New Testament in which the earliest Christians identified for their Godly attributes.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I must point out these scholars are mostly skeptics, not Christian and hail from the 19th century.

So I have to ask. Based on skeptic theories, what do you consider inspired Holy Scriptures? What does you canon look like?

To be truthful, the scriptures that I used to study like a madman ejected from my mind and entered my emotions over a decade ago. This resulted in my view of scripture becoming alive, of course at the time this resulted in me fleeing from an angel of death for some time. However, as I took on a more merciful view of scripture, the manifestation of the scripture person was more like myself,

So in a sense, scripture is probably most essential to me in a sense of my mind functioning properly. (and my body not dying) So when I look at an interpretation I also look how the character of that interpretation would "come to life" before agreeing with it.

In terms of the age of scriptures and who wrote them, this does not factor in. Thus it is an amusing topic.