Lilly of the Valley said:
So if God lets us choose, how can he be omniscient and know everything (ie the future)?
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So if God lets us choose, how can he be omniscient and know everything (ie the future)?
Lilly of the Valley said:
So then it is preset? If it is predetermined what we will choose, we do not have freewill.
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Abongil said:
This is the problem...you make it like it's predesigned...when it's simply preknown.
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Lilly of the Valley said:
If it is preknown then it is going to happen. You cannot deviate from that course, otherwise it is not preknown.
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Lilly of the Valley said:
IF it is our choice, then why is it already known what will happen? IF it is already going to happen, then we cannot choose to not do so. If it is preknown that I will never accept Christ, why is there a Hell? Why make me go through this life if it is already preknown that I will live a mediocre life and then go to Hell? Where is your compassionate God there?
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Abongil said:
Because God is God and knows everything for the mere fact of Him being God.
We choose and God simply knows the choices. He even said He wants all to be saved. They won't all be saved. You think God chose that of His own desire and will for man? No. Man chose it and God knows it. I find God dying for us so we can all have the opp. to be saved quite nice eventhough He knows folks will reject Him of their own choice.
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Lilly of the Valley said:
And if this Hell does exist, when we invade Heaven I am going to be right at the front lines.
Good thing God doesnt exist though, since He knows the future, yet mysteriously we have freewill.
Lets say I am born, and God knows that at age 8 I will fall down the stairs and break my leg. When that time comes, I will end up doing it because it is preknown, therefore there is no freewill. He knows what will happen in the future, and if he knows what will happen then it is already predesigned. Freewill contradicts your god, as does the viewpoint of him being all knowing. So which is it? Is he false by freewill, or is he false by omniscience?
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The fact is, we have free will and choices, yet God simply knows it and His knowing doesn't go against our choices that we freely make. That's the bottom line. God is God and since He is He can allow that to be possible. YOu not getting it or whatnot doesn't negate the fact that it is real.
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Mortensen
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Then choice is an illusion...You only thnk you are making a choice, but you are only doing what is in God's plan
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Lilly of the Valley said:
No I get it because I know for a fact that God is not real. Everytime we find a way to show your God does not exist, you change your beliefs to conform. If he already knows what is going to happen, why with the whole charade, why not just send those of us who are going to Hell to Hell since we are going there regardless, and he knows it.
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I'm not changing my beliefs, I've always believed and known this. God is real. The end. God doesn't do that because you have the option to not go there. Yes He knows if you'll go there, but He still provides the option.
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Lilly of the Valley said:
If he knows I will go there, then there is NOT an option. Even you agree that he cannot be proven wrong, if there is an option then God does not know which one will happen, and eliminates his omniscience.
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There is, but He simply knows you what you will choose. The end. Oh why bother trying to explain spiritual to flesh...good day.
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Lilly of the Valley said:
If he knows what we will choose then there is no choice, we have to make that choice. This is another thing about Christians that offends me, as soon as you know you cannot win, you leave.
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Mortensen
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Bessides... if God know what will happen how can he change it? If he knows the future in time x, he cannot change anything because then his knowledge about the future in time x would be incorrect. And if he is not able to change anything, he is not all mighty. The idea of an allmighty God DOES NOT EXIST!
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It is not God's choice that we be unloving. What is an illusion is your blaming God for your bad choices.Mortensen said:
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