Why is there a hell?

[danstribe]

I could ask the same thing to you, but that's "moving the goalposts" as they say. Thing is, neither of us can really know. In the Old Testament God never sent anyone to hell, but Jesus warned about it. Why would a loving God send anyone to be tortured for eternity.

He doesn't, only Satan and his demons are tortured forever because they were created eternal. Man was not created eternal, he was created with the ability to die. Christ gave us the ability to be resurrected through Him. Refusal of Him causes people to experience the second death, which is NOT eternal torture but eternal damnation, eternal death, no more consciousnesses forever! It will be as though they were never born, no memory or those in the second death and they will have no memory,they will be gone and forgotten. God is not sadistic, Satan is which is why he wants people to believe God would torture people forever.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I could ask the same thing to you, but that's "moving the goalposts" as they say. Thing is, neither of us can really know.

See in the NEW TESTAMENT: the believers immersed in JESUS also receive the mind of CHRIST, taught by GOD, and know where they are going. They also have unmeasurable generous PEACE, JOY and RIGHTEOUSNESS, daily, on earth. (unlike most any religion)

In the Old Testament God never sent anyone to hell,

I believe HE DID - even the whole world at once once.

Jesus warned about it.

...and provides a way (the ONLY WAY) to be set free from it.

Why would a loving God send anyone to be tortured

Ask HIM. HE answers all through the TRUE SCRIPTURES ... (not fairy tail versions where HE is portrayed as evil and wicked monster)

for eternity.

No worries at all for those who come to JESUS.
Great worries for everyone else, yes.

 

[-57]

The Bible also mentions slavery being okay (and beating a slave to death alright as long as the slave doesn't die right away) and God asking people to keep the virgins in a town or kill everyone in a city if there one unbeliever, but that doesn't meant I find it good or anyone else these days does. If anyone did that in modern times we'd call them twisted and evil.

Where does the bible mention slavery as being OK.

Now, here's the real question for you....you seem to say, despite the bible saying there is a hell, you proclaim the bible is wrong on this issue. Really?
Then you try to link it to "slavery"...inwhich you no nothing about??????

 

[-57]

He doesn't, only Satan and his demons are tortured forever because they were created eternal. Man was not created eternal, he was created with the ability to die. Christ gave us the ability to be resurrected through Him. Refusal of Him causes people to experience the second death, which is NOT eternal torture but eternal damnation, eternal death, no more consciousnesses forever! It will be as though they were never born, no memory or those in the second death and they will have no memory,they will be gone and forgotten. God is not sadistic, Satan is which is why he wants people to believe God would torture people forever.

Why then does Rev 20:15 say the following

And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Where does the bible mention slavery as being OK.

TORAH, BERESHIT, PROPHETS, NEW TESTAMENT.

Perhaps a different word would distinguish what God says is good and what men do that is wrong.
i.e. slavery vs slavery
Stewards vs slavery perhaps (for example).

GOD'S INSTRUCTIONS , HIS WORD, is perfect, and totally different than crystal's view (man's view).
So whoever taught her also needs to repent and seek and learn the truth and practice it if they want to live right as God says.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why then does Rev 20:15 say the following

And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

There is 2000 years of doctrines, fallacies, and pagan traditions involved in this one thing.

For our lives, perhaps decades of sin, and error, and bad teachings (over all, generally, widely ).

So God is best able to answer and reveal the truth.

Oh, we can speak of what we have both seen and heard (from HIM, verified and proven truth),
but
it will take an unknown amount of time in ourselves even, to deal with all the false teachings in the churches that we all grew up learning from our parents , neighbors, friends, schools, and pastors and priests.

 

[-57]

TORAH, BERESHIT, PROPHETS, NEW TESTAMENT.

Perhaps a different word would distinguish what God says is good and what men do that is wrong.
i.e. slavery vs slavery
Stewards vs slavery perhaps (for example).

GOD'S INSTRUCTIONS , HIS WORD, is perfect, and totally different than crystal's view (man's view).
So whoever taught her also needs to repent and seek and learn the truth and practice it if they want to live right as God says.

Chapter and verse please...also show where it was like the slavery in the USA.....and not some form of indentured slavery.

 

[-57]

There is 2000 years of doctrines, fallacies, and pagan traditions involved in this one thing.

For our lives, perhaps decades of sin, and error, and bad teachings (over all, generally, widely ).

So God is best able to answer and reveal the truth.

Oh, we can speak of what we have both seen and heard (from HIM, verified and proven truth),
but
it will take an unknown amount of time in ourselves even, to deal with all the false teachings in the churches that we all grew up learning from our parents , neighbors, friends, schools, and pastors and priests.

Yes, it's a 2000 year old document...of course we all know that Jesus didn't rise on day 3 after his crucifixion. That also came from a 2000 year old document...besides that medical doctors tell us resurrection on day 3, especially if you die the death of crucifixion is impossible.

But heck, biblical doctrine is based upon fallacies, and pagan traditions...that's what you said? Right?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Chapter and verse please...also show where it was like the slavery in the USA.....and not some form of indentured slavery.

All through SCRIPTURE - if you had read GENESIS by itself, you would already know.
IF you would like a shortcut>
G77gle search < biblegateway slave > for hundreds of lessons or sites, or just lists of references in SCRIPTURE to peruse at your convenience, God willing.

IT IS NOT like the slavery in the USA nor in the last 500 years - THAT is the point.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, it's a 2000 year old document...of course we all know that Jesus didn't rise on day 3 after his crucifixion. That also came from a 2000 year old document...besides that medical doctors tell us resurrection on day 3, especially if you die the death of crucifixion is impossible.

But heck, biblical doctrine is based upon fallacies, and pagan traditions...that's what you said? Right?

No. Your content here is nothing at all correct.

2000 years of man's traditions including the pagan ones brought into the church have confused and deceived billions of people.

It won't be cleared up today. (for someone , it could be, God willing)
Not for most people.
It will take (or usually takes) years.

 

[-57]

All through SCRIPTURE - if you had read GENESIS by itself, you would already know.
IF you would like a shortcut>
G77gle search < biblegateway slave > for hundreds of lessons or sites, or just lists of references in SCRIPTURE to peruse at your convenience, God willing.

IT IS NOT like the slavery in the USA nor in the last 500 years - THAT is the point.

Chapter and verse please. You made the claim..so put up. Don't tell me to read Genesis....point it out or retract.
Show me where the bible presents slavery as a good thing.

 

[-57]

2000 years of man's traditions including the pagan ones brought into the church have confused and deceived billions of people.

Then why does the bible speak of hell so much?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Then why does the bible speak of hell so much?

JESUS speaks of hell many more times than HE speaks of heaven,
almost always
as a warning to HIS listeners
of the judgment they are under or will be under
if they don't turn to God to be healed.

Mankind corrupted what was spoken simply.
Mankind corruptes everything it can.

So to get the TRUTH, go to the source : God.

HE LOVES TO REVEAL THE TRUTH TO LITTLE CHILDREN.
and to hide it from scholars. (as JESUS PRAISED GOD FOR DOING)

 

[-57]

JESUS speaks of hell many more times than HE speaks of heaven,
almost always
as a warning to HIS listeners
of the judgment they are under or will be under
if they don't turn to God to be healed.

Mankind corrupted what was spoken simply.
Mankind corruptes everything it can.

So to get the TRUTH, go to the source : God.

HE LOVES TO REVEAL THE TRUTH TO LITTLE CHILDREN.
and to hide it from scholars. (as JESUS PRAISED GOD FOR DOING)

So mankind corrupted what the bible says about hell? I don't get it. How?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So mankind corrupted what the bible says about hell? I don't get it. How?

Read up (it is a long, long story)
on the greek and pagan influence after 200a.d..
It has been so corrupted/ deceptive,
you will only be able to find a few places
clearly showing the difference
in GOD'S way of directing HIS people before the corruption
vs
man's way(s) of directing other men.
also
key words: Hebrew vs greek

The difference is like day and night. (and like a tsunami over mankind - greatly overwhelmed with sin and error)

 

[-57]

Read up (it is a long, long story)
on the greek and pagan influence after 200a.d..
It has been so corrupted/ deceptive,
you will only be able to find a few places
clearly showing the difference
in GOD'S way of directing HIS people before the corruption
vs
man's way(s) of directing other men.
also
key words: Hebrew vs greek

The difference is like day and night. (and like a tsunami over mankind - greatly overwhelmed with sin and error)

I also understand that much more of the bible was corrupted...for example Jesus didn't die on the cross and because of that He never resurrected.

 

[Rajni]

The notion that Jesus spoke more about hell than about heaven is actually a myth.

I plugged in the terms over at BibleGateway.com to verify this for myself, and discovered that, for example, in the New American Standard, Jesus mentions heaven 135 times and hell 11 times. In the King James Version, he mentions heaven 141 times and hell 15 times.

Meanwhile, the New American Bible, a Catholic version, doesn't mention hell at all.

This doesn't mean that hell can't be read into verses, but given that people usually read things into scripture anyway, this alone doesn't really settle the issue (as we can see clearly with every hell-related thread that crops up ).

-

 

[rick357]

If God doesn't remember our sins, why is there hell? Heck, why is there hell to begin with?

when Adam fell he was plunged into darkness...the veil of Gods mercy covered us ...separating us from Him...because He is a consuming fire and the pure light of His glory makes all darkness cease to exist...no man may see my glory and live...when Messiah died the veil was torn apart because for those who accept His redemption Adam dies in the cross and the Fathers life becomes our life in Messiah...there is coming a time when all men will stand in the presence of the Father...for believers the shadows that have remained will be purged untill nothing but His life remains in us(eternal glory)...for the unbeliever who is completely in darkness all they are will be consumed(eternal destruction)...the unveiled presence of YHWH is both heaven and hell...hell exist because He is

 

[danstribe]

Why then does Rev 20:15 say the following

And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:14,15 14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire. 15And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

 

[quietbloke]

'Heaven,Hell and Judgment. Does Assemblies of God believe in a final judgment day with a literal heaven and hell? This is what their USA website says,' It would be more accurate to say that AOG believes in a judgment for every person,but a different kind for Christians,than for those who have willfully rejected Christ as Savior. This belief gives credence to a correspondingly firm belief in a real heaven and a real hell. Without a reward for righteous living and faith in Jesus Christ and without a punishment for living a selfish life and rejecting Christ's forgiveness of sins there would be no significance to a judgment that evaluates the heart. Attitudes and actions of a lifetime. 'Man is destined to die once and after that to face judgment (Hebrew's 9:27)