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And unbelief denies the Biblical witness presented in post #36. . .post #36.Tradition spoils the truth. One fly spoils all of the perfume in the jar.
Your premise is incorrectAs the subject suggests, I want to ask about the Trinity. Given that the Trinity is never explained, described, or mentioned in the Bible then why do you believe in it?
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I've noticed recently quite a number of posts and even authors seem to have been censored or asked to leave. I am a bit uncomfortable about that. Is it allowed to discuss or express disagreement with elements of the Creed of Constantinople or the Scutum Fidei? or even the late 6th century Creed of Athanasius? I subscribe to the Nicene Creed (without the anathema) but not per se to the later ones.ADVISOR HAT
This thread had a clean up of some problem posts and posts made in response to them.
As a reminder, it is not allowed to teach against the Trinity on this site.
Exactly at least a focal point of the doctrine, is to fence in Jesus is God, along with God is one in nature. As for Christ himself, another branch of theology was brought forth. The person and work of Christ, called Christology. Some when discussing the doctrine today are speaking in a framework these fathers never even sought to go there....Then some do so today to refute the doctrine or critique it. That idea does not exist in the counsels, but many today do not even realize this.. They are discussing concerning what does not exist in the fathers.Trinity is a mystery as such.
However. what we do know. is there are three members of the Godhead.
the father
the son
and the spirit
they are one
yet they are three.
the heresy as such to me would be when we say Jesus is not God..
You forgotJn. 17:3
Berean Standard Bible
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
1 Pet. 1:3
New International Version
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Eph. 1:3
King James Bible
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Rom. 15:6
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
That you may with one mind and one mouth glorify God The Father of our Lord Yeshua The Messiah.
Eph. 1:17
New American Standard Bible
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.
Jn. 20:17
Holman Christian Standard Bible
“Don’t cling to Me,” Jesus told her, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brothers and tell them that I am ascending to My Father and your Father—to My God and your God.”
1 Cor. 8:6
NASB 1977
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
1 Tim. 2:5
Douay-Rheims Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus:
Jn. 5:30, 5:19, 6:38, 8:28, 14:10; Matt. 16:16-17, 28:18
I believe we both have the truth when we include your scriptures and my scriptures together to explain what we believe, all the scriptures we can find on the Bible topic.You forgot
Mt 28:19
Jesus bracketed them together as the name (singular--not "names," plural) of God,
1 Co 12:4-6,
Paul uses all three interchangeably as God (divine),
2 Co 13:14,
they are linked in prayer for divine blessing, and
Rev 1:4-5
they are linked in pronouncement of divine blessing in Rev 1:4-5.
For those with eyes to see, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the triune name of the three persons in the one God.
Indeed. . .and the Scriptures I present demonstrate that the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures you present is God, just as Jesus is God (Jn 1:1, 14):I believe we both have the truth when we include your scriptures and my scriptures together
No words that are not in the Bible. like Trinity, God the Son, The Father, The Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal,Indeed. . .and the Scriptures I present demonstrate that the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures you present is God, just as Jesus is God (Jn 1:1, 14):
Mt 28:19
Jesus bracketed the three together as the name (singular--not "names," plural) of God,
1 Co 12:4-6,
Paul uses all three interchangeably as God (divine),
2 Co 13:14,
they are linked in prayer for divine blessing, and
Rev 1:4-5
they are linked in pronouncement of divine blessing in Rev 1:4-5.
For those with eyes to see, Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the triune name of the three persons in the one God.
Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes, according to the account in Acts of Ananias and Sapphira:I still struggle with the idea of Trinity as it has been explained to me.
When there are references in the bible, I do not see 'same' and 'one' in the same way as the people trying to instruct me.
I can say I'm 'one' with my husband but that doesn't make me the same person. We are not a duality. We have the same authority, goals and purpose, but we are distinctly different.
Additionally, I can find nothing in the bible that states that we have to believe in the Trinity.
My personal view is that God is God, He gave us His Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit works on the behalf of both.
For this reason, I am okay with my doubt as I believe God made me a critically thinking human, but I have concerns about why the Trinity has been taught as it has been taught.
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