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God is not a guy, the satan is not a guy,
God is the source of all things, there is no other,
so it is not about believing in anyone, but returning to the source.
One thing I would never do is try to talk sports with a sports fan.
It would take about 5 sentences before anyone could see I didn't have a clue about the subject. So it is with so many, who obviously, have never read the bible in it's entirety for themselves.
If you actually want an answer to the question, just read the book for yourself. The answer is there.
How about when he deceived Adam and Eve, causing the fall of man, bringing death into the world.
Anyone who does that doesn't sound very good. That's just the very beginning of what he's done in human history alone.
They are refered to as "he" and "him". Humans are supposedly created in his image.
What other word would you want me to use to refer to them?
That doesn't answer my request for an argument that desmonstrates how god is the good guy and satan the bad guy.
Can I have the verse that says the talking snake was satan, please
It seems to me that that isn't what is said in the book.
Satan convinced them to eat a certain fruit that would give them knowledge of some kind. Yes, god forbid them to eat that fruit. But again, as explained before, if we are going to seriously evaluate this question, you can't simply assume that god is good and therefor are his commandments and restrictions are as well by definition.
Consider it like this: if I rob a store and get caught, then the authorities are the ones that put me in jail. I don't put myself into jail. The authorities could choose to led it slide and don't put me in jail.
It's the authority that decides on the punishment and its the authority that enforces the punishment. It's also the authority that can choose to not enforce a punishment.
He told them in advance that if they ate it, they would die. They ate it, realized they were naked (before God did anything) and were ashamed, and hid from God knowing they had done wrong. Eventually, they died. God was good when He told them NOT to eat the fruit. Satan was bad by deceiving them into doing it anyway.
Now you're talking about the justice of God. If He didn't enforce a punishment, he would not be just. However, right now we have the option of taking refuge in Christ, who accepted that justice in our place. In this way, God is being just, while we at the same time receive mercy.
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years (Revelation 20:2). The great dragon was hurled downthat ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him (Revelation 12:9)
I'm not seeing the link with Genesis here.
Was there a Dragon in the garden too?
Read my post again, this time continue to the point just 3 words after the word "dragon". There, you will see the word "serpent". Following that, you will see where it is also mentioned that the serpent is known as Satan or the devil.
There are many many references to serpents in the bible. Is Satan all of them? Or just when it suits you
So all the serpents mentioned are Satan then?
Everyone says Satan is the bad guy but what did he actually do? And at what point does he ever do anything against anyone else on the sheer scale that God did?
I know, how else are we to relate?
His finger, Eye, ear, hand etc
Example, Psalms 95:9,
Shall He who implants the ear not hear?
Shall He who forms the Eye not see?
It does not say such things about the satan.
The satan is a servant of God, it is not about a dual, two entities, there is only one God.
The satan is on God,s payroll, it can only go as far as God permits.
The satan is an angel created by God, angels don,t have a free will,
as they are created, so are they.
He told them in advance that if they ate it, they would die
God was good when He told them NOT to eat the fruit.
Satan was bad by deceiving them into doing it anyway.
Now you're talking about the justice of God.
If He didn't enforce a punishment, he would not be just
However, right now we have the option of taking refuge in Christ
In this way, God is being just, while we at the same time receive mercy.
You are just asserting who has the authority (through the concept of "might makes right", among all things...). You are not demonstrating who is good and who isn't, nore are you even trying to form an argument one way or the other.
Dictator Kimmy in North Korea has authority as well. Does that make him good? Does might make right?
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