Why is pornography wrong?

[CodyFaith]

Never said it caused anyone to sin. Saying that it's not explicitly erotic is just untrue.

Ok but you really can't compare it to porn and say it's porn. Porn is completely degenerate and disgusting. Scripture is pure, holy and beautiful. The two are nowhere comparable.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Never said it caused anyone to sin. Saying that it's not explicitly erotic is just untrue.

But Song of Solomon is not porn.
Also, erotic is not the best word to use when talking about God's Word.
While there are intimate overtones in Song of Solomon letting us know in a metaphorical way about a married couple's love, it is not explicitly selling you on sexual immorality with gorey details like a porn video, novel, or comic.


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[Danbha]

But Song of Solomon is not porn.
Also, erotic is not the best word to use when talking about God's Word.
While there are intimate overtones in Song of Solomon letting us know in a metaphorical way about a married couple's love, it is not explicitly selling you on sexual immorality with gorey details like a porn video, novel, or comic.


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Whether I call what a dog leaves behind excrement or something far more vulgar (as Martin Luther was wont to do), doesn't change what it is that I'm describing. I think erotic is an apt description. God invented sex, I don't think He's offended with my use of the word.

 

[Robienfold Papenfuse]

So when they have sex when the camera is off, that is when God condemns them?
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.


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Well there are more than cameras involved. When the boom mikes are packed up, the cameras off, the director gone than yeah it's no longer acting. That's a perfectly reasonable statement.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Whether I call what a dog leaves behind excrement or something far more vulgar (as Martin Luther was wont to do), doesn't change what it is that I'm describing. I think erotic is an apt description. God invented sex, I don't think He's offended with my use of the word.

God's Word is primarily a spiritual book. While the Bible does record sexual acts and the desire of intimacy between two married couples, the word "erotic" used today conjures up a different picture in people's minds. For example: The word "gay" used to mean happy. But now it means something else when you say that. Today, our culture has completely sexualized everything. So when you say erotic, it does not conjure up good and wholesome images for people. Surely the sanctity of marriage should conjure up a different picture for us believers. Although we are told to marry so as to avoid fornication, marriage is not all about sex. We are also called to love our wives as Christ loves the church, too.

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[Danbha]

Well there are more than cameras involved. When the boom mikes are packed up, the cameras off, the director gone than yeah it's no longer acting. That's a perfectly reasonable statement.

I'm going to disagree. They could always say that they were "rehearsing" and it still wouldn't make it right. You could say that porn actors are just independent contractors and that God doesn't condemn independent contractors. It's not that they are contractors that is the problem, it's what they hire out to do that is the problem. A hitman is also an independent contractor, as is a drug dealer. I would hardly argue that there is no problem with what they are doing merely because you choose to focus on the business side of what they are doing and not the act that they are committing.

 

[Theo Book]

What is the rational explanation about why pornography is wrong?

God made Man in His (God's) own image, and informs us "God is spirit" (Jn 4:24); and instructs us that to walking flesh is contrary to walking in God's image. He contrasts walking in flesh with walking in spirit -
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."(Gal 5:16)

"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities"(2 Pet 2:9-10)

The command is not given as an option, but is often imperative in form. It is a necessity for one to be judged righteous.

"Pornography" is from the Greek word "Pornos" which is defined as sexual immorality. That is about as far as one gets from walking in the spirit.

 

[RDKirk]

Did you accept Jesus as your Savior?
Do you believe Jesus is God?


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He identifies as Christian and this is a Christian only forum. The etiquette here is that we presume a person who professes Christianity means it.

 

[RDKirk]

This sounds like you believe in Eternal Security. Are you saying a Christian can indulge in porn and then die in that sin (with no repentance) and still be saved?


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I went back and looked at his post. He didn't say anything like that.

I think you're trying to derail the thread to your own agenda. If so, start a thread of your own.

This is not the thread you're looking for.

 

[RDKirk]

Only if we're applying the same rules as are being applied to watching a scene where people are being loving and affectionate.

You're not talking about pornography, though.

 

[Danbha]

Making up words? Friend the words interactive and acting are not my own creation. They are legitimate words that you can look up in a dictionary, they are not made up friend. Porn stars refer to themselves as actors and actresses for a reason. They want to make the distinction between what's real and what's not.

Since when did the porn stars get to define things?

Abraham Lincoln used to ask this question to people: "If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?" if the answered "Five." he would give them a scathing look and sharply reply, "Four! Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg!" Calling filming the act of having sex on film acting, doesn't make it acting. It's having sex on film. In fact, I'd call it prostitution since it's taking money for having sex. Are snuff films "interactive acting?" Is it not murder because it's being filmed (to distinguish it from the "real" thing)? That's what I mean by doublespeak. As to the invented word/term, I suppose I should have said you had to come up with a phrase that was overly qualified so as to render it meaningless.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

He identifies as Christian and this is a Christian only forum. The etiquette here is that we presume a person who professes Christianity means it.

Sigh. I never said they were not Christian. Not all Christians believe in accepting Christ for salvation. There are Universalists. Not all Christians believe Jesus is God, either. I asked the questions I did because I thought they were providing me with a Muslim source. But it turns out it was a Christian one. The website can easily mislead a person if they initially look at the website. It is called "Answering Islam." I was thinking it was answers in defense for Islam. Hence, why I asked my questions to see what kind of Christian Sam was claiming to be.

If it makes you feel any better, I did just recently apologize to Sam for my misunderstanding.
But I never specifically said the words that Sam was not Christian (as others have falsely accused me of saying). I was merely trying to find out what kind of Christian Sam was claiming to be (by the questions I asked). There is a difference.


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[zoidar]

What is the rational explanation about why pornography is wrong?

I would say the rational explanation outside God's will for us would be that you can get the wrong picture about sex. In marriage it's not just sex, it's making love, growing in love together through physical act. So porn may give you the idea that sex is only about pleasure.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What is the rational explanation about why pornography is wrong?

The "rational" explanation is that Jesus said that things which incite lust in the hearts of mankind should be avoided; and it's also very difficult to really and truly justify pornography as a "Christian good" in the world.

Just look at the lives of those who make the stuff. They are not, as far as I know, Christians. So, where is the inspiration for producing and distributing porn coming from?

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[Serving Zion]

What is the rational explanation about why pornography is wrong?

Pornography is to stimulate sexually, by experiencing strange flesh. The idea of pornography is to imagine sexual activity with that mate. Then it is addictive, to seek out more experiences, because different mates invoke different pleasures.

This then causes us to begin looking at the people around us with fantasy, in search of new pleasures. This is a self-gratifying view of people.

As a result, people do not feel valued for who they are, but for how they look. There is a false perception of value associated to appearance, that can cause anxiety in various ways. Many people will wrongly diagnose the lack of respect as owing to their sexual appearance, when actually sexual appeal does not produce the respect they need.

Fantasy is also only a few steps from adultery, so where someone is engaging in pornography and they lust for a colleague or friend etc, there is already an interest and there is potential for temptation when an opportunity comes to act on it. Proverbs 6:34.

Lust is a mortal sin. Sin and love are opposites. Where sin is motivated by self interests, love is motivated in the interests of others. So when we are conditioned to look at people as a source of sexual stimulation, that is to see them as a thing for our gratification. Whereas to recognise them for their person, to look past their sexual appearance, we are able to engage with them in full respect of who they are as a person.

Furthermore, seeing that lust is sin, it is selfishness, it produces fruits of the flesh that are at odds with the fruits of the spirit.

Therefore, when someone is engaging in a lustful lifestyle, as for example pornography or sexual fantasy (as the TV encourages), then that one is grieving and quenching The Holy Spirit by cultivating fruits of the flesh that are at odds with the fruits of the spirit.

Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
1 Peter 1:13-16

Flee whoring. Every sin that a man commits is outside the body, but he who commits whoring sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is the dwelling place of The Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought with a price, therefore honour God in your body and your spirit, which are of God.
1 Corinthians 6:18-20

 

[RadioBunny]

Art forms come in many variations. Interactive acting happens to be the type of acting that we all enjoy while watching porn.

I'm sorry, I tried to find an answer to my question in there somewhere.

 

[Robienfold Papenfuse]

I'm sorry, I tried to find an answer to my question in there somewhere.

I will never judge someone with a comprehension problem, by the grace of God keep trying!

 

[RadioBunny]

I will never judge someone with a comprehension problem, by the grace of God keep trying!

Thank you, friend. Alas, friend, I cannot comprehend it. Would you please, friend, have the grace to simplify your answer to a "yes" or "no" format?

 

[Robienfold Papenfuse]

Thank you, friend. Alas, friend, I cannot comprehend it. Would you please, friend, have the grace to simplify your answer to a "yes" or "no" format?

I'm afraid sometimes certain answers cannot be contained within the confines of a yes or no answer. As much as our undivine inferior minds may long for that it's not always possible. Between the answers I have given you and my numerous remarks throughout this post I feel as though I have answers all questions that have been asked of me. If you need further clarification on anything just be specific and ask! Gods grace!

 

[PollyJetix]

What is your view on (in another thread won't get into details) who argue about nonhuman characters in cartoons having breasts covered?

I would argue it is forbidden and indecent to portray topless mermaids because they are intentionally trying to make the other features (face especially) feminine.

I cannot imagine Jesus spending a night in prayer with His Father, and then watching a Disney movie containing partial nudity and witchcraft elements.
It's unholy... which means it's not acceptable to God.