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So... you think that as long as we tell God "But I was just pretending!" that He will excuse any disobedience to His word?
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Why is pornography wrong?
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Original pornography was written, not filmed. There is still a lot of porn/erotica that is in written form. It's all about where it takes you in your imagination. Sin is in us, it is not put in us by porn, but proceeds from the heart. When one reads the stories in the Bible, whether it's Eve walking around nude, the aforementioned Bathsheba scene (apparently so attractive that David couldn't help himself) the graphic, lingering descriptions of the male and female body and how they feel to the touch and taste etc. in Song of Solomon, they are written to create a strong image in the mind of the reader. If that formed image is sinful, then what are we to say about the very book that provides those images? If the Bible, however, does NOT provoke us to sin, as you say, then those formed images must not be sinful. "If thine eye causes you to offend, pluck it out" etc. There must be a disconnect between seeing something, and sinning, even if that thing you're seeing is a sex scene (again, Song of Solomon). Please don't just say that the Song of Solomon was written for people who are in love. I don't really know what you are getting at with that anyway; is it ok for married people to watch/read porn together then?
I repeat my previous argument: it's not the lust, it's the lusting AFTER someone you're not supposed to have that crosses the line.
My previous point about the true danger of porn also stands. Done to excess (that line will vary with each individual), it can desensitize a person and cause those that a person is in a relationship with to suffer by comparison to the fantasy images they are watching. It's tough to live up to a fantasy for very long.
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Did you not read my earlier point? Pornography is made for sinning. People watch it because they lust. I said nothing about acting. Just what's in the heart of the person who is watching.
The rules are that it doesn't matter what you're looking at. It matters what's in your heart WHEN you're looking at it. People watch porn because they have lust in their heart. I'm talking about what's in the heart of the viewer, not the subject matter being viewed alone. It seems like you've argued it the other way around. So no, I don't think we are talking about the same rules. As I said, sin's not in the eyes. It's in the heart.
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What does acting have to do with it? Sex is meant to be in a very narrow scope-a husband and wife in the privacy of their home.
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I don't know what acting has to do with it. As I said, I said nothing about acting. I was replying to someone else.
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Consider You are not married and the director says look lustfully into the mans eyes and say - Honey, take a bite, it cant hurt.
The man is someone elses husband. ( If You were like me You would refuse the role but later in life I decided to quit acting, I also wanted to settle down and have a family. Acting can be tricky, it can be hard to be married to an actress or actor.
The man is someone elses husband. ( If You were like me You would refuse the role but later in life I decided to quit acting, I also wanted to settle down and have a family. Acting can be tricky, it can be hard to be married to an actress or actor.
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It's not fornication if it's acting. If you act out a murder im
But regardless of whether or not you want to accept it porn IS acting, that's a well known fact. Acting is not a sin
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If an actor commits a murder in a movie is that's a sin or os it just pretending and make believe? God has no ban on art. There are no Biblical restrictions on acting!
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You seem to not want to advance the conversation. If actors commit crimes in movies are they sinning or acting? Maybe in the world of religious fanatics like ISIS that is a sin, to more rational people they take it for what it is, acting. God IS rational and understating, he is not a fool. He has no problem with acting or else he would have banned it!
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That's a poor analogy. A better question would be if someone playing a role actually killed someone on film to make the scene more realistic, would it be just "acting?" There is real and simulated sex on film, and the difference between the two determine the rating it receives.
The question is not whether the one who participates in making porn is sinning, but whether the one watching it is.
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PollyJetix
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Show me your scriptures that tell you it's okay to pretend to sin.
And I'll show you scriptures that tell you it's a sin to enjoy watching those who commit sin.
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PollyJetix
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Calling porn "art" and saying that "God puts no restrictions on art" is nothing but a smokescreen for a defiled conscience trying to justify itself.
Numbers 33:52 "Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures..."
The word "image" includes the connotation of "art".
"Images" are not only 3-dimensional, but are also 2-dimensional. And these days, might be animated, or acted out.
God has forbidden certain images.
Those images which promote activity He has forbidden would be at the top of the list.
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I agree. The original OP question was to give a rational argument against porn. I tried to do so stating its innately destructive qualities in regards to desensitization and unrealistic expectations. That's the rational argument against it. That being said, the theological debate can go on forever with no consensus much like other theological arguments.
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What is your view on (in another thread won't get into details) who argue about nonhuman characters in cartoons having breasts covered?
I would argue it is forbidden and indecent to portray topless mermaids because they are intentionally trying to make the other features (face especially) feminine.
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