You forgot one!!!
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me,, that they may be one, as we are 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
So you think we are all gods because they may be one, as we are ?Where did I forget one, please. I had stated that Jesus/Yeshua had said that he and the father are one. Jesus was also imbued by God's Holy Spirit.
So you think we are all gods because That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:So.....what you want us to know is that the Father and the Son are "one" in the same sense as you and I are one as believers. OK.
I think I choose to believe what the master Jesus tells us.So you think we are all gods because they may be one, as we are ?
Jn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Re 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus:,worship God: [not Jesus] for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Ye are gods (theoi este). Another direct quotation after eipa but without hoti. The judges of Israel abused their office and God is represented in Psa_82:6 as calling them “gods” [RWP] and then ]Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.I think I choose to believe what the master Jesus tells us.
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
I personally believe you are confused. "Trinity" is NOT Biblical. It is a 'man made concept' that some insist is based on the Bible. But the truth is, the Bible actually contradicts the concept. NO where in the Bible is Christ offered as COeternal with God. Nor that He is equal in any manner. Christ Himself openly stated that it is GOD that is greater than the Son. That it is God that KNOWS all, not the Son. And it is NEXT to God that His Son now sits. Plainly illustrating that the Son if NOT God. He is exactly who He has told us He is: The Son of the Living God. Never ONCE did Christ reveal that He is GOD. Not ONCE in four Gospels and all the epistles. He even rebuked a man that called him 'good master' stating that there is ONLY ONE THAT IS GOOD: God.If UPCI is "Oneness Pentacostal", then yes, it is considered a heresy because the Bible is clear that God is three persons in one God, all of them present at the same time.
We've been over this many times. The word itself is manmade, but the fact that the Father is God, the Son is God, the HS is God, and yet there is only one God is plainly stated in Scripture. Call it by whatever term you prefer, but it's there.I personally believe you are confused. "Trinity" is NOT Biblical.
I personally believe you are confused. "Trinity" is NOT Biblical. It is a 'man made concept' that some insist is based on the Bible. But the truth is, the Bible actually contradicts the concept. NO where in the Bible is Christ offered as COeternal with God. Nor that He is equal in any manner. Christ Himself openly stated that it is GOD that is greater than the Son. That it is God that KNOWS all, not the Son. And it is NEXT to God that His Son now sits. Plainly illustrating that the Son if NOT God. He is exactly who He has told us He is: The Son of the Living God. Never ONCE did Christ reveal that He is GOD. Not ONCE in four Gospels and all the epistles. He even rebuked a man that called him 'good master' stating that there is ONLY ONE THAT IS GOOD: God.
So please, you can certainly state what you believe, but when you state that the Bible teaches 'trinity' or even HINTS at it is not correct. Even those that created it STATE that it is NOT a concept mentioned in the Bible.
Blessings,
MEC
I think you err. There is nothing in scripture to support a modalistic belief in God.I think on this topic that there is a lot that can quote scriptures on both sides to support their beliefs. I have heard both but I am not here to decide which is right as if there is a God surely in the end we will know if they are all one or a trinity.
AMEN!I personally believe you are confused. "Trinity" is NOT Biblical. It is a 'man made concept' that some insist is based on the Bible. But the truth is, the Bible actually contradicts the concept. NO where in the Bible is Christ offered as COeternal with God. Nor that He is equal in any manner. Christ Himself openly stated that it is GOD that is greater than the Son. That it is God that KNOWS all, not the Son. And it is NEXT to God that His Son now sits. Plainly illustrating that the Son if NOT God. He is exactly who He has told us He is: The Son of the Living God. Never ONCE did Christ reveal that He is GOD. Not ONCE in four Gospels and all the epistles. He even rebuked a man that called him 'good master' stating that there is ONLY ONE THAT IS GOOD: God.
So please, you can certainly state what you believe, but when you state that the Bible teaches 'trinity' or even HINTS at it is not correct. Even those that created it STATE that it is NOT a concept mentioned in the Bible.Blessings, MEC
What it means is that Christ and the Holy Spirit and the Father are NOT a Trinity. Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.One God. Father is God. Son is God. Holy Spirit is God.That's the belief that is referred to by the term "Trinity." To deny it is to deny the Bible's witness.
Quite the contrary. It should be beyond debating that if there is only one God and three "somethings" are God, you've got a situation that the word "Trinity" describes. You can't say that there are three gods, for that would contradict the Bible. And you can't say that any one of two of these three are not God, for that would ALSO violate Scripture.What it means is that Christ and the Holy Spirit and the Father are NOT a Trinity.
That would require Unbelief: Hebrews 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; (13) but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.Quite the contrary. It should be beyond debating that if there is only one God and three "somethings" are God, you've got a situation that the word "Trinity" describes. You can't say that there are three gods, for that would contradict the Bible. And you can't say that any one of two of these three are not God, for that would ALSO violate Scripture.
All I can conclude from this reply is either that you didn't understand or didn't want to.That would require Unbelief: Hebrews 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; (13) but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Huh? You said, " And you can't say that any one of two of these three are not God, for that would ALSO violate Scripture." So, either your scriptures are lacking or your timing is off. Christ was not a god, before his ascension and will not be a god after his ascension. There is only ONE God, to think otherwise would violate the scriptures.All I can conclude from this reply is either that you didn't understand or didn't want to.
Huh? You said, " And you can't say that any one of two of these three are not God, for that would ALSO violate Scripture."
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.that the Father is God, that the Son is God, and that the Holy Ghost is God.
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