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Why is it necessary for a Christian to believe that the Bible has no errors?

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benelchi,

It would be good if you would document this information so that we know from which historical sources you gained the details. Where is the information about 'keeping well hidden the ones they knew were genuine'?

It may be true, but I'd like historical verification.

Oz

I really appreciate the question but unfortunately I am swamped right now and don't have the time to track down the primary sources any time soon. In the mean time, this was information I got from Daniel Wallace and if you are in a hurry for this information then you should be able to find it by looking at Wallace's work on the development of the NT cannon, I know he has written a number of articles and given a number of lectures on this topic. I will try to check for the primary sources later if I can find the time. In the mean time, I hope this helps point you in the right direction.
 
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The Greek church did not want to be Jewish. This is well-known and the topic of the debates in Jerusalem.

Paul himself said he limited his teaching:
1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

The arrogance of the Greek church is evidenced early even as the leader in one church excluded John:

3Jo 1:9 ¶ I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
3Jo 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth [them] out of the church.

By 400 AD all Jewshness was removed from the church by Constantine in the east and Augustine in the west.

Augustine even said that the Septuagint was more reliable than the original Hebrew texts.

As a result, modern theologians, trained within the Greek church, admit that they cannot reproduce the exegesis of the NT authors. Some are still so arrogant to say that if Jesus and his apostles were in their Hermeneutics 101 classes they would fail for misapplying scripture.

As a result, the church is void of the rich Hebrew nature of the scriptures. They even missed the plain teaching of the Bible, which is love; even of our enemies.

A willingness to murder "heretics" shows that they did not understand the very basic principles which were taught. According to Paul, one who does not understand this basic principle has no business teaching doctrine:

1Co 13:1 ¶ Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Take a simple teaching like the parable of the Mustard seed:

The parable of the mustard seed is taught this way by the Greek church: The kingdom starts off small and grows larger and larger. If we have faith like that we can do miracles that no one seems to be able to do (move the mountain to the sea.). We argue if the birds are angels, demons, or gentiles. Then we wonder, and or defend, that Jesus said it was the smallest seed, when everyone else knows its not. This is NOT biblical preaching!

Hear the WORD of the LORD!

Jesus was the seed of the woman in Genesis. He was the least of all the seed because he served us all through his death on the cross. The word for mustard in Greek is similar to 'bruised by anger' in Hebrew. The prophecy of the seed of the woman speaks of his incarnation, kenosis, tribulation, temptation and final obedience on the cross.

He grew to be the great herb. The grass was given to cattle to eat, and the herbs were given to men to eat. The greatest thing men can eat is the body of Christ. He is the great herb. Eating is a metaphor for learning, so he became the great teacher. We also celebrate the cattle eating the grass when we put baby Jesus in the manger with the grass. We have the same symbol of eating his body at the beginning of his life as we have at the end.

The tree is the cross... and those birds? If you live in the spirit you rest in the cross.

Lets move a mountain. The two mem's in the Hebrew word for water have metaphoric meaning for the Father and the Son. The Father is Spirit and the Son is Truth. Jesus told the woman at Sychar that though she worshiped on the mountain, she would worship in Spirit and Truth. The mountain would be moved to the water.

The parable of the mustard seed speaks of Christ at every turn and is revealed by the word itself. The parable contains a riddle:

Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;

It is easy to assume that those with whom you disagree are simply ignorant. Those who do so are using themselves as the measure of truth.
You said in the time of Christ. No one wrote the New Testament until after Christs death
 
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Asked this on another forum, and thought I'd ask it here, too.

Just curious on this point. If men were responsible for taking 'God's word' and putting it to paper, could it be that somewhere along the way, there were errors? That parts of the Bible might not be free from corruption? It requires faith to believe in the overall message of the Bible, and it requires the belief in God's grace to have a relationship with Christ...and to me, experiencing the Holy Spirit is all we truly 'need,' so why is it necessary to believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God?

I ask this because as I'm exploring churches, their 'mission statement' is wrapped up in believing that the Bible has no errors. (errors of man)

What do you think? :sunflower:

Diedre, exploring churches? The bible is indeed without error, explore the Church that compiled IT, and you will also find that this Church is also without error, for over 2000 years in its teachings. "and the gates of hell shall not prevail over it".

Diedre, you must agree if the Church that compiled the Holy Bible which all Christians say and is without error, then it is obvious that this Church that compiled It, is without error.

The Catholic Church who compiled It, has been given the Sole Authority guided by the Holy Spirit to interpret It, and It has been set, in its interpretations in stone. any other interpretations of Scripture other than the FIRST, There is where the ERROR comes in. the Error came during the protestant reformation when men, Martin Luther, Calvin, and the 33,000 thousands churches etc... reinterprets the bible, that has been already interpreted by the Church founded on Rock 1500 years before.

 
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Asked this on another forum, and thought I'd ask it here, too.

Just curious on this point. If men were responsible for taking 'God's word' and putting it to paper, could it be that somewhere along the way, there were errors? That parts of the Bible might not be free from corruption? It requires faith to believe in the overall message of the Bible, and it requires the belief in God's grace to have a relationship with Christ...and to me, experiencing the Holy Spirit is all we truly 'need,' so why is it necessary to believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God?

I ask this because as I'm exploring churches, their 'mission statement' is wrapped up in believing that the Bible has no errors. (errors of man)

What do you think? :sunflower:

I think the bible is free from errors.
I think the bible is God's plan for salvation.
I think the bible is the word of God.
I think the bible could guide people towards the true knowledge of God
I think the bible is hidden in mystery and is a closed book.
I think the bible translations have errors but not the original itself
I think the bible versions have errors but not the original itself


I think the bible is the power of God.
I think the bible is authored by God.


I think the bible was written by the prophets and apostles for God and his Son


I think the bible was prohibited by a church to be read and translated in different languages because it would compromise their doctrines during the Middle Ages and people got killed for it.

 
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The Greek church did not want to be Jewish. This is well-known and the topic of the debates in Jerusalem.

Paul himself said he limited his teaching:
1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

The arrogance of the Greek church is evidenced early even as the leader in one church excluded John:

3Jo 1:9 ¶ I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
3Jo 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth [them] out of the church.

By 400 AD all Jewshness was removed from the church by Constantine in the east and Augustine in the west.

Augustine even said that the Septuagint was more reliable than the original Hebrew texts.

As a result, modern theologians, trained within the Greek church, admit that they cannot reproduce the exegesis of the NT authors. Some are still so arrogant to say that if Jesus and his apostles were in their Hermeneutics 101 classes they would fail for misapplying scripture.

As a result, the church is void of the rich Hebrew nature of the scriptures. They even missed the plain teaching of the Bible, which is love; even of our enemies.

A willingness to murder "heretics" shows that they did not understand the very basic principles which were taught. According to Paul, one who does not understand this basic principle has no business teaching doctrine:

1Co 13:1 ¶ Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Take a simple teaching like the parable of the Mustard seed:

The parable of the mustard seed is taught this way by the Greek church: The kingdom starts off small and grows larger and larger. If we have faith like that we can do miracles that no one seems to be able to do (move the mountain to the sea.). We argue if the birds are angels, demons, or gentiles. Then we wonder, and or defend, that Jesus said it was the smallest seed, when everyone else knows its not. This is NOT biblical preaching!

Hear the WORD of the LORD!

Jesus was the seed of the woman in Genesis. He was the least of all the seed because he served us all through his death on the cross. The word for mustard in Greek is similar to 'bruised by anger' in Hebrew. The prophecy of the seed of the woman speaks of his incarnation, kenosis, tribulation, temptation and final obedience on the cross.

He grew to be the great herb. The grass was given to cattle to eat, and the herbs were given to men to eat. The greatest thing men can eat is the body of Christ. He is the great herb. Eating is a metaphor for learning, so he became the great teacher. We also celebrate the cattle eating the grass when we put baby Jesus in the manger with the grass. We have the same symbol of eating his body at the beginning of his life as we have at the end.

The tree is the cross... and those birds? If you live in the spirit you rest in the cross.

Lets move a mountain. The two mem's in the Hebrew word for water have metaphoric meaning for the Father and the Son. The Father is Spirit and the Son is Truth. Jesus told the woman at Sychar that though she worshiped on the mountain, she would worship in Spirit and Truth. The mountain would be moved to the water.

The parable of the mustard seed speaks of Christ at every turn and is revealed by the word itself. The parable contains a riddle:

Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;

It is easy to assume that those with whom you disagree are simply ignorant. Those who do so are using themselves as the measure of truth.

So if I disagree with this fantastical allegorical teaching, I am simply ignorant?
 
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So if I disagree with this fantastical allegorical teaching, I am simply ignorant?
Pr 18:13 ¶ He that answereth a matter before he heareth [it], it [is] folly and shame unto him.

It is called folly and shame when one decides a matter before it is fully presented, not ignorance.
 
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Pr 18:13 ¶ He that answereth a matter before he heareth [it], it [is] folly and shame unto him.

It is called folly and shame when one decides a matter before it is fully presented, not ignorance.

I have read enough of your post's content to know that it is extrabiblical nonsense. Proverbs 8:13b: "I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech."
 
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Diedre, exploring churches? The bible is indeed without error, explore the Church that compiled IT, and you will also find that this Church is also without error, for over 2000 years in its teachings. "and the gates of hell shall not prevail over it".

Diedre, you must agree if the Church that compiled the Holy Bible which all Christians say and is without error, then it is obvious that this Church that compiled It, is without error.
That doesn't follow. Not in the least.

But more than that, Deidre's question wasn't an invitation for anyone to answer with a promo for his own denomination.
 
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Diedre, exploring churches? The bible is indeed without error, explore the Church that compiled IT, and you will also find that this Church is also without error, for over 2000 years in its teachings. "and the gates of hell shall not prevail over it".

Diedre, you must agree if the Church that compiled the Holy Bible which all Christians say and is without error, then it is obvious that this Church that compiled It, is without error.

The Catholic Church who compiled It, has been given the Sole Authority guided by the Holy Spirit to interpret It, and It has been set, in its interpretations in stone. any other interpretations of Scripture other than the FIRST, There is where the ERROR comes in. the Error came during the protestant reformation when men, Martin Luther, Calvin, and the 33,000 thousands churches etc... reinterprets the bible, that has been already interpreted by the Church founded on Rock 1500 years before.

There is no biblical basis for what you're saying. There is no one church in the New Testament, there are many. The Catholic Church came centuries later and proclaimed itself the sole authority on all matters Christian. Nobody but Catholics believe that. Its model is the pagan Greco-Roman society, not the churches founded by the apostles.

Nobody gave the Catholic church the sole authority to interpret scripture. There is no "first" bible. The "first" bible was (and is) a collection of a few scrolls and many fragments in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. I am thankful for the centuries of difficult work by many, many scholars to give us the reliable Bible that we have today.

Finally, this thread isn't the place to proclaim Catholicism as the one true church. It's not true and it's off topic.
 
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I have read enough of your post's content to know that it is extrabiblical nonsense. Proverbs 8:13b: "I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech."
Pointing to the seed of the woman is extra-biblical? wow...
Pointing to Christ from the grass and the herbs is extra-biblical?
Pointing to Christ from the parable of the Mustard seed is extra-biblical?
Pointing to Christ from Genesis 38 is extra-biblical?

So sorry for you.
 
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Pointing to the seed of the woman is extra-biblical? wow...
Pointing to Christ from the grass and the herbs is extra-biblical?
Pointing to Christ from the parable of the Mustard seed is extra-biblical?
Pointing to Christ from Genesis 38 is extra-biblical?

So sorry for you.

If you feel sorry for me then I am blessed.
 
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