Why is homosexuality a sin?

[Plecto]

Why is homosexuality a sin? People don't choose to be a homosexual so why are they expelled from christian societies?

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Because God said so. That's probably not something you want to hear or satisfying for you, but it's the truth.

 

[Abbadon]

Oh, wow, great answer. "God said so."

Don't bother, you know, presenting a reasoning or evidence, or trying to prove it.

Honestly, the laws against it are along with "JEWISH men don't shave, don't eat pork, and don't wear polycotton blends." Paul's writtings against it are a tale of where lust is a problem.

And aside from that, homosexuals aren't commiting some of the sins that heterosexuals do. Seems to even out.

Quite frankly, I don't care, but please, please, please, don't just post "God said so." Provide something thought provoking.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Well, if a king of all the universe which welded all power said something was wrong...is it not wise to heed Him just because He said so?

 

[ReluctantProphet]

Because God said so. ..

A person can not achieve LOVE and be void of understanding.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

A person can not achieve LOVE and be void of understanding.

Believing God isn't being void of understanding. There are things where it comes down to believing God and HIS knowlege or your own limited understanding. PLus, spiritual knowlege far outweights logical.

PLus, I have no idea where you get believing God on something being a sin equals not having love...where on earth does that come from. Viewing something as sin in no way equals hating the person.

 

[Abbadon]

OK. Lilly, prove god said it. You're just saying "God said so."

That doesn't work. People have said that to justify all sorts of crazy things.

Prove God said so.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

In romans this isn't just talking about lust...but also what they do w/ that lust...

And in the OT book, yes it's the OT, but that doesn't make in unapplicable...if you bring up the argument of picking and choosing that still doesn't work because it's mentioned in the new testement.

 

[Abbadon]

Thank you for actually providing reasoning/evidence/arguement!

Now, everyone is a sinner, so why worry about homosexuality more than heterosexuality? Sex itself isn't a sin, but plenty of sin results from it. A gay man doesn't look at a woman the same was a straight man does.

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

So, if a man sleeps with a man as he would a woman, it's a sin. Not to be too graphic, but that really only covers a few things.

And that doesn't cover lesbians.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

In romans this isn't just talking about lust...but also what they do w/ that lust...

But, lust is the main problem here, not homosexuality. Had they not become lustful, there would have been no problem. Now, not all homosexuals are homosexuals simply out of a desire to have more sex. Otherwise, they'd only be bisexuals, because there are some gay persons that can get the attention of members of the opposite sex.

Those verse speaks of people trying to get more sex by opening the playing field.

And in the OT book, yes it's the OT, but that doesn't make in unapplicable...if you bring up the argument of picking and choosing that still doesn't work because it's mentioned in the new testement.

So, men shouldn't shave, noone should wear polycotton blend, and we shouldn't eat pork or shrimp?

 

[ReluctantProphet]

Believing God isn't being void of understanding. There are things where it comes down to believing God and HIS knowlege or your own limited understanding. PLus, spiritual knowlege far outweights logical.

PLus, I have no idea where you get believing God on something being a sin equals not having love...where on earth does that come from. Viewing something as sin in no way equals hating the person.

If in my "logical" understanding, I clearly see the rightfullness in all that God has ever been purported to have done. I see that Jesus in particular was exactly on target with reality. I see that Science is right. But I see that someone else has gained misunderstanding of something they have read from those same scriptures,

Do I go with my "logic" or do I go with what the person believes?

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Thank you for actually providing reasoning/evidence/arguement!

Now, everyone is a sinner, so why worry about homosexuality more than heterosexuality? Sex itself isn't a sin, but plenty of sin results from it. A gay man doesn't look at a woman the same was a straight man does.



So, if a man sleeps with a man as he would a woman, it's a sin. Not to be too graphic, but that really only covers a few things.

And that doesn't cover lesbians.



But, lust is the main problem here, not homosexuality. Had they not become lustful, there would have been no problem. Now, not all homosexuals are homosexuals simply out of a desire to have more sex. Otherwise, they'd only be bisexuals, because there are some gay persons that can get the attention of members of the opposite sex.

Those verse speaks of people trying to get more sex by opening the playing field.



So, men shouldn't shave, noone should wear polycotton blend, and we shouldn't eat pork or shrimp?

Who said to worry about it more? The fact is, it's brought up and seen and increased and mentioned so much, even on the news w/ marriage and etc...you can't help but focus on it a bit more. If adultry was a hot issue in the world...it probably would be. Yes...but do all straight men lust after women everytime they see one? No. And what about lust toward the same gender? So...that doesn't quite work.

Yep and so is lusting and etc... Lust is plain out sin on it's own...but doing things that marriage involves w/ the opp. gender and doing that btwn. the same gender is sin. (ex: sexual relations and etc...) Man and man, woman and woman...both are sin...there's a verse that hits on that too,in Romans it hits on women as well.

I'm not talking about attraction...I'm talking about living the life of a homosexual which for me means sexual relations and such. Attraction isn't sin. Lust and sexual relations is....btwn. opp. gender before marriage for sex and lust in general is sin and for gender on gender sex zip is sin and so is lust.

No it's not. It's talking about sinning and doing stuff w/ the same gender because they were so wicked. Not 'opening the playing field'...that would be adultery if w/ the opp. gender.

Once again..that's why you go by the OT and NT...both go together.

 

[whitestar]

First no one is born gay...there is no medical proof of this..in fact they found no gay gene:

“THIS IS THE WAY GOD MADE ME”—
A SCIENTIFIC EXAMINATION OF
HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE “GAY GENE”
Brad Harrub, Ph.D., Bert Thompson, Ph.D., and Dave Miller, Ph.D.

[ PDF Version ]

[EDITOR’S NOTE: This is the first of a two-part series that we authored on the issue of homosexuality. The second part (“An Investigation of the Biblical Evidence Against Homosexuality”) appeared in the September 2004 issue of Reason & Revelation.]

The trumpets were left at home and the parades were canceled. The press releases and campaign signs were quietly forgotten. The news was big, but it did not contain what some had hoped for. On April 14, 2003, the International Human Genome Consortium announced the successful completion of the Human Genome Project—two years ahead of schedule. The press report read: “The human genome is complete and the Human Genome Project is over” (see “Human Genome Report...,” 2003, emp. added). Most of the major science journals reported on the progress in the field of genetics, but also speculated on how the information would now be used. The one piece of information that never materialized from the Human Genome Project was the identification of the so-called “gay gene.”

Homosexuality has been practiced for thousands of years. Simply put, homosexuality is defined as sexual relations between like genders (i.e., two males or two females). It was Sigmund Freud who first postulated that parental relationships with a child ultimately determine the youngster’s sexual orientation. But this “nurturing” aspect has effectively given way to the “nature” side of the equation. Can some behaviors (e.g., alcoholism, homosexuality, schizophrenia) be explained by genetics? Are these and other behaviors influenced by nature or by nurture? Are they inborn or learned? Some individuals believed that the answer would be found hiding amidst the chromosomes analyzed in the Human Genome Project.

The human X and Y chromosomes (the two “sex” chromosomes) have been completely sequenced. Thanks to work carried out by labs all across the globe, we know that the X chromosome contains 153 million base pairs, and harbors a total of 1168 genes (see NCBI, 2004). The National Center for Biotechnology Information reports that the Y chromosome—which is much smaller—contains “only” 50 million base pairs, and is estimated to contain a mere 251 genes. Educational institutions such as Baylor University, the Max Planck Institute, the Sanger Institute, Washington University in St. Louis, and others have spent countless hours and millions of research dollars analyzing these unique chromosomes. As the data began to pour in, they allowed scientists to construct gene maps—using actual sequences from the Human Genome Project. And yet, neither the map for the X nor the Y chromosome contains any “g*ay gene.”
What is the truth regarding homosexuality? Too often, speculation, emotions, and politics play a major role in its assessment. The following is a scientific investigation of human homosexuality.

http://apologeticspress.com/rr/rr2004/r&r0408a.htm

1 Corinthians 6

9 Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers--none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God. 11There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away, and you have been set apart for God. You have been made right with God because of what the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God have done for you.

Romans 1:18
18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves.[6] 19 F or the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. 20 From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.

23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.
24 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. 25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen.
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.

If people were born gay there would be no ex-gays either. As Christians believe me we do NOT want to make this any worse of a sin then any others, nor talk about it all the time but its constantly brought up on here and other Christian boards, its constantly in the news...we aren't the ones pushing this...its those that are pro-gay that are.

I know most will not accept the evidence presented on here...I rarely post on these type of threads anymore because the evidence is not accepted only argured against and we are presented as the 'bad guys' for simply repeating God's Word. We are told we are intorlant...yet our views are not torlanted...doesn't make much sense, does it.

I can put alot more information on here if you all want it...but I don't argue it..the facts speak for themselves...its up to each person to decide for themselves what they think. We do not hates gays...those that do go against Jesus' teachings to love each other as He has loved us. So if you do run into a Christian that says he or she hates gay people you can remind them of that.

God bless

 

[TeddyKGB]

No, Christianity is not a sex-obsessed religion... as long as you have sex only when, how, and with whom we tell you.

 

[TeddyKGB]

First no one is born gay...there is no medical proof of this..in fact they found no gay gene:

There is as much "medical proof" that a person can be born gay as born heterosexual.

In any case, Mendelian genetics is a decidedly minor factor in inherent/congenital behavior.

 

[MorganParadise]

Rom 1:24-32 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: (25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: This is making refence to lesbians (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. This is speaking of males being homosexuals(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, I think this verse spoke for itself fornication meaning pre maritial sex(30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, (31) Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: (32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Doing these things in Gods Eyes you are worth of Death.

 

[MorganParadise]

Jud 1:7
(ASV) Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.
(ISV) Likewise, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them, which like them committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual activities, serve as an example of the punishment of eternal fire.
(KJV+) Even as5613 Sodom4670 and2532 Gomorrah,1116 and2532 the3588 cities4172 about4012 them846 in like manner,3664, 5158 giving themselves over to fornication,1608 and2532 going565 after3694 strange2087 flesh,4561 are set forth4295 for an example,1164 suffering5254 the vengeance1349 of eternal166 fire.4442
(KJVA) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
(KJVR) Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
(MKJV) as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, committing fornication, and going away after other flesh, laid down an example before-times, undergoing vengeance of everlasting fire.

I have used one verse and compared it through diffent translations. HHHHMMMMM

 

[Plecto]

Okay. But is is not we that choose whether or not we are homosexual. Maybe there is no "*** gene" but it is dessided pretty early in your life what you are (my neighbour has been very feminin since he was a little boy and he now came out of the closset saying that he is gay). But still; since it is not us to desside, homosexuals are looked upon as sin and they cant do anything about it! Like here in Norway, there is ONE party that is against homosexuals getting married, and that is the christian party. So homosexuals are "banned" from christian societies just because they are who they are. Its like labeling all people with blue eyes as sinners and say that they cannot get married. I understand why christians look at this as a sin, but do you on the forum here agree? That homosexuals are any different that hetrosexuals?

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

No, Christianity is not a sex-obsessed religion... as long as you have sex only when, how, and with whom we tell you.

Actuall...how GOD tells you...not man

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Okay. But is is not we that choose whether or not we are homosexual. Maybe there is no "*** gene" but it is dessided pretty early in your life what you are (my neighbour has been very feminin since he was a little boy and he now came out of the closset saying that he is gay). But still; since it is not us to desside, homosexuals are looked upon as sin and they cant do anything about it! Like here in Norway, there is ONE party that is against homosexuals getting married, and that is the christian party. So homosexuals are "banned" from christian societies just because they are who they are. Its like labeling all people with blue eyes as sinners and say that they cannot get married. I understand why christians look at this as a sin, but do you on the forum here agree? That homosexuals are any different that hetrosexuals?

They're different only in their attractions. Like I said...I don't see attraction as sin, it's what you do w/ it that becomes sin. Yes, some christians do ban them and such...I think eliminating them from 'society' isn't loving nor wise. However, God can deliver a person from that type of attraction. It's happened many times. Plus, God can give them strength not to live that type of life. The bottom line is...you may not control the attraction, but you control what you do w/ the attraction...so no one has any excuse.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

If in my "logical" understanding, I clearly see the rightfullness in all that God has ever been purported to have done. I see that Jesus in particular was exactly on target with reality. I see that Science is right. But I see that someone else has gained misunderstanding of something they have read from those same scriptures,

Do I go with my "logic" or do I go with what the person believes?

Nope. It's sin, the end. You seem to be misunderstanding what God has called sin. So obviously...you aren't seeing rightfulness w/ this then. Plus, science isn't always right nor does it know everything.


That's your choice. But I go w/ God. You seem to be assuming that my belief equals lack of love which is INACCURATE. I merely see it as sin, same w/ lying and etc...but do I hate liars and etc...no...same w/ homosexuals.