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Because the information is already provided, it's you who seems absolutely determined to soldier on, bravely ignoring the presented information and pretending it isn't there.How is asking for more information in order to know what it is I'm supposed to refute "dodging"?
Because the information is already provided
Again: why are you so adamant on not watching the videos? Why are you now progressing to the stage of being hell-bent on ignoring not only the videos, but also my question of why are you so adamant on refusing to watch the videos?No it wasn't. It took me several posts just to get "How did Judas die" out of him. And "how did Judas die" isn't even a contradiction.
Again: why are you so adamant on not watching the videos? Why are you now progressing to the stage of ignoring not only the videos, but also my question of why you so adamantly refuse to watch the videos?
I don't believe in hell...no loving God would set a person on this earth just so many years and determine their place in eternity on those few years. God is much bigger than that. The Roman Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church came up with hell in the 4th century at the same time they did away with the idea of Christian Reincarnation..based on finding Christ and ending the earthly cycling. How convenient!
1. No, but that doesn't mean the videos aren't evidence. If you have any questions about, say, Pythagoras' theorem in maths class, does it mean that you'll only accept an answer from Pythagoras himself?1. I'm not talking to the guy in the video.
2. Because I'm ripping old American Routes episodes and playing a video will interfere with that
3. Because I've seen them many times before.
This is not the first time they've been brought up here.
Why is hell even necessary? I understand that God can't be in the presence of unholiness (except when he came to earth?) and I know that he's Just, so sinners can't go to heaven. But he's also merciful.
It seems to me that the perfect balance between Justice and Mercy is after death Christians go to heaven, everyone else ceases to exist. Why would a loving God punish the majority of people for eternity, ETERNITY! for the sin of not accepting His love?
Don't tell me that we send ourselves to hell. We don't. I'm choosing right now not to go. But according to the Bible, I'm going anyway. God chooses to send people to hell. He could just...you know...NOT send us there. Just annihilate our souls so that we are no longer aware or even exist. But instead He chooses to go above and beyond what is necessary to satisfy Justice. He becomes vengeful, unloving, and unmerciful. Or is there something I'm missing? I was a Christian for 22 years so I feel like I have a firm grasp of the theology. But then again I haven't read the Bible much recently in the past few years so maybe there's something I forgot that clears the whole thing up.
And mods, this is a genuine question. I'm not trolling or being confrontational. I want to know what the Bible has to say about this.
Ok Mike, I'm not sure how this thread turned to the videos you posted, but your PhD is wrong, plain and simple. His very first premise about why the Gospel was written in the first place is dead wrong, and he's very assuming in the statement. In other words, he never seriously considered it.
Next up, people have taken to the profession that Scripture is Divine "in it's original autographs." Take that as you will but the errors and issues you have raised are petty. Not a one of them has substance. It's a non-issue.
Next, whoever it was that objected, had a valid issue. If you need to turn to others, this is no longer your concern(s). We're not here to help Google explore Christianity, and the *cough* "Bible scholar* you presented certainly has no interest in exploring Christianity. (He was a poor choice, btw)
Your interest in this thread was stated as "why is hell necessary?" That could reasonably branch off into several areas. Some of them might prove interesting?
I know the videos are off topic but at one point T&W asked why I don't believe in the God of the Bible. So I told him. It's because I don't believe the Bible is a credible historical source. If you think that doesn't matter and there's some deeper mystical meaning in it despite the fact that the history contained within it is wrong and it is internally inconsistent, then that's fine. I know a few gnostics and cabalists who would like to hang with you. I'm not a mystic however.
To me, the Bible is on the same level as the Enuma Elish, the Bhagavad Gita and the Epic of Gilgamesh; I LOVE them all as someone who is interested in ancient texts. But I don't follow the Enuma Elish or The Epic of Gilgamesh. (They're actually even older than the old testament)
So an ancient text being inaccurate doesn't matter as long as the message appeals to you?But they do not teach God loves us.
Isn't death enough to accomplish that? Sending people to Hell only sees to it that they gain eternal life as well, albeit being under perpetual torture.Hell is necessary to prevent us from gaining eternal life unnecessarily.
Especially if we reject the fundamentals of the Gospel and Christ.
To me, the Bible is on the same level as the Enuma Elish, the Bhagavad Gita and the Epic of Gilgamesh; I LOVE them all as someone who is interested in ancient texts. But I don't follow the Enuma Elish or The Epic of Gilgamesh. (They're actually even older than the old testament)
It matters in the search for truth about God. I believe God is, and loves us. If that is true, then ancient text that do not say this, would not be equal to ancient texts that did.So an ancient text being inaccurate doesn't matter as long as the message appeals to you?
But they do not teach God loves us.
I'm not sure I'd agree as to the "older than" part. There may very well be a "common ancestor" thing going on, w/ the Hebrew writings being penned latest out of these. I do expect Gilgamesh and Elish have insights which would help to "open up" at least some aspect of the OT.
And you do realize Christianity was never about following what was written, right?
It matters in the search for truth about God. I believe God is, and loves us. If that is true, then ancient text that do not say this, would not be equal to ancient texts that did.
Hell is necessary to prevent us from gaining eternal life unnecessarily.
Especially if we reject the fundamentals of the Gospel and Christ.
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