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People often say that god doesn't appear to us like another human would show up in our house because he wants us to have faith.. then why did god reveal himself to lucifer before he turned evil and rebelled? Obviously satan saw and knew god much like we would if we go to heaven and like how we see and know other people.. obviously god talked to people back in the days.. it also says in the bible that god is unchanging.. so why doesn't god talk to us in the same way he did before?
Who is to say He doesn't.. Perhaps you simply do not know how to listen. Why do you assume it is God that changed, and not man? In a word, Pride. You can acknowledge God is unchanging but the pride of man will not have you look at yourself as being the one with the issue. Something else note worthy, It is also this pride that does not allow you to "Hear" God.
Your way. Do you even know How God tell us to do this?I did try listening.. many times..
Because you expect/accept only certain kind of responses.I've prayed, humbled myself, and asked for help and I have gotten no responses..
You have build a God shaped box and demanded that He get into it. Rather than seek God where He is.
I have, the problem was you were not(Still are not) listening.The things that I thought were responses were just me making up stuff to make myself believe what other Christians clearly understand! Now, can you answer my question?
You only ever point to your efforts and your wants. Never one have you ever sighted scripture or practically yielded to His authority.
Your way. Do you even know How God tell us to do this?
Because you expect/accept only certain kind of responses.
You have build a God shaped box and demanded that He get into it. Rather than seek God where He is.
I have, the problem was you were not(Still are not) listening.
You only ever point to your efforts and your wants. Never one have you ever sighted scripture or practically yielded to His authority.
The only demand jesus makes is to humble ourselves, repent, and ask him into our heart.. right? How can one distinguish jesus being received and not received? Of course.. I would see some change in my life, have prayers and questions answered if I did in fact have a relationship with him! But none of that happened.. when I went to sleep and woke up, nothing changed.. absolutely nothing.. I really do mean it!
Maybe god is creating a "human-shaped-box" which most christians, like you, only can fill.. because obviously it isn't working for me! It would be much easier if god made it so that one could demonstrate personal revelations, so that people who are a bit confused about this spiritual stuff can really grasp this stuff!
How many times should I state this? I DID ACCEPT JESUS AS MY SAVIOR, after repenting and humbling myself! When I realized that nothing changed in my life that would indicate a new relationship being formed with god, of course I would start doubting and demanding.. why wouldn't I?
Your way. Do you even know How God tell us to do this?
Because you expect/accept only certain kind of responses.
You have build a God shaped box and demanded that He get into it. Rather than seek God where He is.
I have, the problem was you were not(Still are not) listening.
You only ever point to your efforts and your wants. Never one have you ever sighted scripture or practically yielded to His authority.
I actually was open to any revelation that would indicate that god had in fact forgiven me.. I got nothing.. And as for your claim that I have to seek god for "where he is", I believe the bible says something different:
Matthew 7:7-11 - Passage Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com
It obviously says "YOU WILL RECEIVE".. I didn't!
Look at luke 11 it expounds on what is said in Mat 10 fold. (Luke TELLS you what you should be ASKING for)I actually was open to any revelation that would indicate that god had in fact forgiven me.. I got nothing.. And as for your claim that I have to seek god for "where he is", I believe the bible says something different:
Matthew 7:7-11 - Passage Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com
It obviously says "YOU WILL RECEIVE".. I didn't!
Look at luke 11 it expounds on what is said in Mat 10 fold. (Luke TELLS you what you should be ASKING for)
5 Then Jesus said to them, Suppose you have a friend, and you go to him at midnight and say, Friend, lend me three loaves of bread; 6 a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have no food to offer him. 7 And suppose the one inside answers, Dont bother me. The door is already locked, and my children and I are in bed. I cant get up and give you anything. 8 I tell you, even though he will not get up and give you the bread because of friendship, yet because of your shameless audacity[e] he will surely get up and give you as much as you need.
9 So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. 11 Which of you fathers, if your son asks for[f] a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!
We ask through prayer, we Seek in the bible, Church and places like this, We "Knock" BY REPEATING THIS PROCESS UNTIL WE GET WHAT OUR HEART SEEKS.
You did not do this, as the verse clearly states that we are to knock like the persistent neighbor. The neighbor did not have a time limit to His efforts, It appears you did. This is what I mean by You built a box and demanded that God get into it. You have set parameters outside of what scripture says and you are demanding that The God of All of Creation Meet your expectations the way you want to see Him work. You took one scrap of one verse and have built an unreal expectation around it.
If you spend the rest of your life "knocking" it will be a life well spent. This is the humility that a proud man will find foolish. Know Personal Pride and God will Never occupy the same heart.
Do you not see that God is taking the wishing ceremony out of prayer here? Did you not see the underlined portion TELLING you what/ONE SPECIFIC thing to pray for?So is it too much to pray for temporary wishes like a lighter body weight, better grade on exams, or a better car? Certainly, there are time limits to certain things in life.. there is no point in going to a soccer academy to sign up to one day turn professional if you are already into your late thirties!
You are building another box. Luke is telling us to pray for one very specific thing. He is not setting up and spiritual trade service. where you do XYZ and in return God answers a prayer.The verse you posted, in its entirety, does suggest that one has to keep doing the things the bible teaches, i.e, prayer, repenting, forgiveness, and fellowship..
These are good for long term prayers like me or you wanting to be with god or something of that nature.. based on what you said, it seems like god has trouble or limited resources in answering my prayer for something temporary, which i was promised that I will get if I repented, humbled myself, and believed!
How so?
Before you respond, know that it is obvious you do not understand what Luke is saying. so rather than argue, may I suggest that you ask questions.
Do you not see that God is taking the wishing ceremony out of prayer here? Did you not see the underlined portion TELLING you what/ONE SPECIFIC thing to pray for?
You are building another box. Luke is telling us to pray for one very specific thing. He is not setting up and spiritual trade service. where you do XYZ and in return God answers a prayer.
How so?
Before you respond, know that it is obvious you do not understand what Luke is saying. so rather than argue, may I suggest that you ask questions.
Okay.. Then state what luke is saying, because I don't get it.. is he saying that if we keep trying, god will give things to us? just like if we would keep asking a friend, he/she would help us out even though it might not seem like it in the beginning?
Okay.. Then state what Luke is saying, because I don't get it.. is he saying that if we keep trying, god will give things to us? just like if we would keep asking a friend, he/she would help us out even though it might not seem like it in the beginning?
No, Look at verse 13 again.
12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!
Luke is telling us we should be asking for a measure of the Holy Spirit. Nothing else, because prayer is not away to change God's mind about something, it is a way God can help us change ours. If you look at the first part of Luke 11 it is what we know to be the "Lord's Prayer." In it there is a verse that say. "Your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. Your Will Meaning God's will not ours. If this is a model for all prayer that verse just took the wishing part out of prayer. That means God is not a magic Genie who's only purpose is to grant you wishes if you do things for Him.
1 One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.
2 He said to them, When you pray, say: Father,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come. May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
3 Give us each day our daily bread.
4 Forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
And lead us not into temptation.
People often say that god doesn't appear to us like another human would show up in our house because he wants us to have faith.. then why did god reveal himself to lucifer before he turned evil and rebelled? Obviously satan saw and knew god much like we would if we go to heaven and like how we see and know other people.. obivously god talked to people back in the days.. it also says in the bible that god is unchanging.. so why doesn't god talk to us in the same way he did before?
Do you assume to know the complete will of God?Okay.. If I pray for a good grade in an exam I will be taking next week.. how the heck is that going against his will?
Book chapter and verse for both precepts please.My prayer would not go against his will, because I followed God's requirements of accepting Jesus as my savior.. he also promises that whatever we ask for, that we will get!
When and where did God tell you this?How exactly are they contradicting? god said that I will get what I ask for..
I have shown you where you have not on several occasions, and I only have your words to go by. Only the Lord knows what is rolling around in that heart .hence I did.. god didn't respond.. it doesn't go against his will, because as far as I know.. I have repented, humbled myself, and accepted Jesus as my savior..
If you got everything you asked for you would not have a faith at all. You would have a relationship with a magic genie. Ironically, Your "faith" will not be dictated to God on Your terms.i would think it would only strengthen my faith if my prayer was answered..
Not if by "fudge" you mean God granting unlimited wishes for you.sounds like god doesn't give a fudge about me according to your point!
I did answer this, in my opening post. apparently my point still hold true, and because it is not something you do not want to hear, so you do not listen.Can you also address my OP about how Lucifer knew and talked to god before and after he turned evil and how I don't get to experience that, in the presence of "evidence" in the bible that Lucifer is the one who corrupts us and that I have truly become a Christian?[/
Lucifer does not corrupt you. You corrupt yourself. How? You will not listen to anything or anyone that will not support the twisted idea of what you want God to be. God is outlined in the bible. What you have been describing has nothing to do with the description of the God of the bible.
For example you did not even ask about what Luke was telling you to ask for. You only showed contempt for a God who was not your servant. Why do you assume that God does not love you unless He does it in the way you want to be loved?
God came to us in the form of His Holy Spirit on the day of pentecost. To teach us, guide us, And pretty much anything else we need. What would be the point in a verbal communication, When he is already speaking to you from inside?
Of course, Other people will think your nuts, If you tell them that God told you something, Or Told you to do something. But who cares, They probably think your nuts already for one reason or another.
The way this all works is, Satan wants to take as many souls to hell that he can, So he can point at God and say, See nobody likes you, Now leave us alone. But God foretold that he would raise up a people that will love, And serve him, Right in Satans stronghold. And this will prove that seeing is not believing. Because those people that loved God, Never saw his face, And still chose him over Satan.
It's called faith! Right now, your thinking in terms of technical details of how to be saved, And how to get prayers answered. That's nothing but legalism, And without faith, It does not work.
When you try to force yourself to be humble, And accept Jesus. Your forgetting another important step, No man can come to God unless God draws him. What that means is, God will allow the circumstances of your life, Or maybe just the sheer hard work of daily existence to wear you down, Until one day you begin to realize that you are nothing, Not even worth the dust it took to create you, And right about that time, You begin to feel like someone is telling you, Hey remember me? It's time to come to me, As you are now, Not as the proud person you used to be. Now let me show you what living is really about.
No amount of studying will get you forgiven, Neither will countless conversations on the subject. When you finally know what you really are, He will pick you up and dust you off, And make you better than you could ever be on your own.
I assume nothing.. your god told me that it would make it clear to me... I am asking why it didn't and why it supposedly did to you and millions of other christians? Now what is it? Is your god selective or am i not too worthy?
Book chapter and verse for both precepts please.
Mathew 7:7.. why would god give that analogy and promise if it's not his will? Are you picking and choosing stuff that best suits your understanding of god? All I am saying is that he promised me something, and didn't offer it.. how hard is that for you to understand?
When and where did God tell you this?
I don't remember the exact date and time, but it was within the last 4-5 days!
I have shown you where you have not on several occasions, and I only have your words to go by. Only the Lord knows what is rolling around in that heart.
Naaa.. Only I know!
If you got everything you asked for you would not have a faith at all. You would have a relationship with a magic genie. Ironically, Your "faith" will not be dictated to God on Your terms.
You missed the dang point! I didn't ask for everything! I asked for a better grade on an exam! Of course I didn't dictate him, he promised it to me for fudge sake! It says it in the bible.. are you picking and choosing?
Not if by "fudge" you mean God granting unlimited wishes for you.
No, I mean the obscene four letter word that would get my butt banned if I spell it out!
I did answer this, in my opening post. apparently my point still hold true, and because it is not something you do not want to hear, so you do not listen.
Lucifer does not corrupt you. You corrupt yourself. How? You will not listen to anything or anyone that will not support the twisted idea of what you want God to be. God is outlined in the bible. What you have been describing has nothing to do with the description of the God of the bible.
For example you did not even ask about what Luke was telling you to ask for. You only showed contempt for a God who was not your servant. Why do you assume that God does not love you unless He does it in the way you want to be loved?
THERE IS A LACK OF EVIDENCE IN MY LIFE.. A LACK OF EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND OF SUPERNATURAL REVELATION OR INTERVENTION.. FORGET MY STANDARDS.. THERE WAS NO CHANGE.. ZIP.. NADA.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?
HOW MANY TIMES SHOULD I STATE THAT I WAS ONLY ASKING GOD FOR WHAT HE PROMISED? ARE YOU IGNORING THAT HE DID PROMISE THAT IN THE BIBLE?
You will be justified if I was asking for something that wasn't promised.. but I asked for something that god promised to any christian who did his will.. I did.. I asked.. nothing happened.. simple enough for you?
God came to us in the form of His Holy Spirit on the day of pentecost. To teach us, guide us, And pretty much anything else we need. What would be the point in a verbal communication, When he is already speaking to you from inside?
Of course, Other people will think your nuts, If you tell them that God told you something, Or Told you to do something. But who cares, They probably think your nuts already for one reason or another.
The way this all works is, Satan wants to take as many souls to hell that he can, So he can point at God and say, See nobody likes you, Now leave us alone. But God foretold that he would raise up a people that will love, And serve him, Right in Satans stronghold. And this will prove that seeing is not believing. Because those people that loved God, Never saw his face, And still chose him over Satan.
It's called faith! Right now, your thinking in terms of technical details of how to be saved, And how to get prayers answered. That's nothing but legalism, And without faith, It does not work.
When you try to force yourself to be humble, And accept Jesus. Your forgetting another important step, No man can come to God unless God draws him. What that means is, God will allow the circumstances of your life, Or maybe just the sheer hard work of daily existence to wear you down, Until one day you begin to realize that you are nothing, Not even worth the dust it took to create you, And right about that time, You begin to feel like someone is telling you, Hey remember me? It's time to come to me, As you are now, Not as the proud person you used to be. Now let me show you what living is really about.
No amount of studying will get you forgiven, Neither will countless conversations on the subject. When you finally know what you really are, He will pick you up and dust you off, And make you better than you could ever be on your own.
So it's all about having faith.. basically it boils down to having faith that god's moral standards are right and his will is the best for us.. is that right?
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