so, in your statement above, are you saying that god's forgiveness has already been given which therefore results in our ability to repent?
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Today at 07:27 PM Reformationist said this in Post #99
I would have to say, without hesitation, that the forgiveness of God is what results in our repentence so I'd most definitely say that God's forgiveness of His chosen comes before their acknowledgement of their sinfulness, and thus repentence.
God bless
Today at 11:35 AM bird said this in Post #101
so, in your statement above, are you saying that god's forgiveness has already been given which therefore results in our ability to repent?
bird
Today at 02:27 PM Reformationist said this in Post #99
I would have to say, without hesitation, that the forgiveness of God is what results in our repentence so I'd most definitely say that God's forgiveness of His chosen comes before their acknowledgement of their sinfulness, and thus repentence.
God bless
Today at 02:32 PM bird said this in Post #100
let me see if i am understanding you correctly. what do you mean by repentance? and what do you mean when you say that repentance is prior to forgiveness?
bird
Today at 12:25 PM rnmomof7 said this in Post #103
We disagree brother. The grace of God leads us to repentance. If Forgivness prerceeded repenatance why would there be a command to repent?
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
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Note the order as taught by Christ
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Notice the order taught by the apostles
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
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Today at 01:13 PM CCWoody said this in Post #106
I like how we are all having the same conversation across 3 threads....
Your friendly neighborhood Cordial Calvinist
Woody.
Today at 01:52 PM bird said this in Post #108
to consolidate or not to consolidate....that is the question.
bird
Today at 03:53 PM Reformationist said this in Post #109
LOL! I'm actually enjoying it the way it is. It's keeping it from getting stale.
God bless
Today at 04:10 PM Reformationist said this in Post #105
I would say that God's work of forgiveness includes the grace which leads to repentence, the imputation of Christ's righteousness, regeneration of His elect, and the purifying work of the Holy Spirit in our sanctification.
God bless
Today at 02:12 PM rnmomof7 said this in Post #111
I can live with that as long as we agree that man must still repent and believe ..No man is born saved..It is a foreordained event, but man must repent and believe
Today at 05:20 PM Reformationist said this in Post #112
I can live with that as long as we acknowledge that a man's ability and inclination to repent and believe is a product of the grace of God.
God bless
Yesterday at 10:39 PM rnmomof7 said this in Post #113
Amen..I think we have been talking past each other..
It is indeed the grace of God that leads man to repentance.
But God calls on all men everywhere to repent ...my point no short cuts:>
Today at 04:13 PM bird said this in Post #114
why would god call on all men everywhere to repent if he doesn't really want all men?
bird
Today at 12:18 AM Reformationist said this in Post #115
Because God is Just. Just because God requires the obedience of all mankind doesn't obligate Him to provide the necessary grace to live in obedience. God had to establish His righteous Law so that there was a Law to be broken. Even with Adam and Even in the Garden He did this. He told them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Had He not given them the Law they would not have had a Law to break.
God bless
Today at 07:13 PM bird said this in Post #114
why would god call on all men everywhere to repent if he doesn't really want all men?
bird
Today at 09:09 PM bird said this in Post #116
reformationist,
i am speechless. is this what you think of the father?
bird
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