Why Is Darwinism So Dangerous? (5)

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not sure.
That is why I am on this thread, to learn more about Darwinism.

Let me go back to the original OP
[Had to go back 4 pages from here to find what the original OP said.]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7818683-101/

I went back and read the OP. It isn't.
Perhaps the title should have been "why is science so dangerous?".

It does prompt me to ask, is your faith so fragile?

Not yet....

The following is taking from another site [atheists might recognize it ehehe]

Why Is Darwinism So Dangerous?

Originally Posted by Strato

Having just browsed the Creationism/Evolution thread over at Christian Forums it seems to me the whole debate is a red herring.

Creationism has nothing to do with science. It parades itself as science but is a perversion of science. It is spurious; deep down it has contempt for science.

The propounding of creationism by the likes of Ken Ham is not to assert the authority and veracity of scripture, as the Word of God, on the origins of the cosmos and of life on earth, (with humans being the crown of creation), as it purports to do. Not at all, or not principally, anyway.

The Eden myth which the Hebrew tribe borrowed from the Babylonians and appropriated with their genealogical fabrication, provides the basis for the Christian doctrine of sin, hamartiology.

If sin, through the 'Fall' didn't infect the species Homo sapiens after all, now that Darwin went and published his dangerous idea, which has never been falsified, only ever verified, despite the great pains Ham et al have gone to, then the salvation work wrought by Jesus on Calvary's cross, was actually quite unnecessary.

So they have to prop up Genesis with 'Creation Science' (what an oxymoron), at all costs.

It sure has a lot of people caught up in the details within the debate, as though it's an issue worth discussing.

Creationism isn't anything to do with science. It is 'apologetics' in christianese, defending the Faith, though they'll never admit this.

I did express all this in a post once. I thought I might start this thread, so titled, provocative to Christian lurkers.

Rock on comrades.

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[Loudmouth]

Yes, atheism is a religion,

No, it's not. Religions have deities and beliefs. Atheism has neither. Try again.

a Godless religion whos adherents are vocal, demanding (there's that word again) and inflexible.

Since when is being vocal, demanding, and inflexible the same as a religion?

From Wikipedia.....

"A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence."​

Atheism is a lack of belief.

 

[justlookinla]

It would appear that people really don't understand what fundamentalism is.

"Fundamentalism is the demand for a strict adherence to orthodox theological doctrines usually understood as a reaction against Modernist theology.[1] The term "fundamentalism" was originally coined by its supporters to describe five specific classic theological beliefs of Christianity, and that developed into a movement within the Protestant community of the United States in the early part of the 20th century, and that had its roots in the Fundamentalist–Modernist Controversy of that time."

Last I checked, I have not required anyone to adhere to any orthodox theology or doctrine. I am certainly not requiring strict adherence to christian theology.

Aren't you promoting the philosophy of atheism though? "Fudie" isn't a term which is only applicable to Christians, it's applicable to any follower of any philosophical view which demands strict adherence to their "beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence."

 

[Loudmouth]

Aren't you promoting the philosophy of atheism though?

There is no philosophy of atheism.

"Fudie" isn't a term which is only applicable to Christians, it's applicable to any follower of any philosophical view which demands strict adherence to their "beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence."

Fundamentalism is a religious view as a reaction to modernist theologies. Atheism is not a religion, a theology, or a philosophy.

All you are trying to do is drag people down in the mud with you.

 

[justlookinla]

No, it's not. Religions have deities and beliefs. Atheism has neither. Try again.

No, religions do not necessarily have deities. Yes, both Christianity and atheism has philosophical beliefs of life.

Since when is being vocal, demanding, and inflexible the same as a religion?

Being vocal, demanding and inflexible is fundamentalism.

Atheism is a lack of belief.

I disagree. Atheism has a philosophical view of life which yields their belief concerning life.

 

[Loudmouth]

No, religions do not necessarily have deities. Yes, both Christianity and atheism has philosophical beliefs of life.

There is not atheistic philosophy of life. None. It is simply the absence of belief in deities. That's it.

Being vocal, demanding and inflexible is fundamentalism.

Baloney. You have stretched the word to the breaking point.

I disagree. Atheism has a philosophical view of life which yields their belief concerning life.

There is no atheist philosophy.

 

[Davian]

Not yet....

The following is taking from another site [atheists might recognize it ehehe]

Why Is Darwinism So Dangerous?

Not yet what?

 

[justlookinla]

There is no philosophy of atheism.

Sure it is. One's life philosophy is shaped by their view of God, lack of God, purpose in life, ect. Atheism's philosophy of life, from Wikipedia....

"Axiological, or constructive, atheism rejects the existence of gods in favor of a "higher absolute", such as humanity. This form of atheism favors humanity as the absolute source of ethics and values, and permits individuals to resolve moral problems without resorting to God."​

Fundamentalism is a religious view as a reaction to modernist theologies. Atheism is not a religion, a theology, or a philosophy.

Fundamentalism is a mindset concerning one's philosophical views. It's not applicable solely to Christians.

All you are trying to do is drag people down in the mud with you.

Ouch!

 

[bhsmte]

What makes me a fundie atheist?

You make too much sense.

 

[Loudmouth]

Sure it is. One's life philosophy is shaped by their view of God, lack of God, purpose in life, ect.

Atheism is not a philosophy, no matter how you try to twist the English language. It is simply the lack of belief in deities. That's it. What philosophies atheists may or may not have is independent of atheism. If you brought together 20 atheists you would probably get 20 different philosophical views of life. Saying that atheism is a philosophical view on life is like saying that not believing in the Easter Bunny is a philosophical view on life.

Fundamentalism is a mindset concerning one's philosophical views.

No it isn't. If that were the case, then EVERYONE would be a fundamentalist since everyone has philosophical views.

Ouch!

That is the entire purpose of such statements, is it not? When you say that evolution is nothing more than faith you are trying to drag evolution down to your level, are you not? When you call evolution a type of creationism you are doing the same, are you not?

 

[Loudmouth]

You make too much sense.

Actually, I think having an opinion makes you a fundamentalist, in their eyes.

 

[justlookinla]

Atheism is not a philosophy, no matter how you try to twist the English language. It is simply the lack of belief in deities. That's it. What philosophies atheists may or may not have is independent of atheism. If you brought together 20 atheists you would probably get 20 different philosophical views of life. Saying that atheism is a philosophical view on life is like saying that not believing in the Easter Bunny is a philosophical view on life.

Of course one's view of no deities shapes their life philosophies. If one believed in a deity, that would also shape one's life philosophy.

No it isn't. If that were the case, then EVERYONE would be a fundamentalist since everyone has philosophical views.

It's not just about philosophical views. It's about behavior concerning those philosophical views. There are fundies in every philosophical view, including atheism.

That is the entire purpose of such statements, is it not? When you say that evolution is nothing more than faith you are trying to drag evolution down to your level, are you not? When you call evolution a type of creationism you are doing the same, are you not?

The teaching of Darwinism is a creationist view. In Darwinism, humanity is created by a series of impetuses acting upon a single life form from long long ago. The infinite complexity and variety of life was created entirely, totally, completely, only, solely by naturalistic mechanisms according to Darwinist creationist teachings.

 

[Davian]

Sure it is. One's life philosophy is shaped by their view of God, lack of God, purpose in life, ect. Atheism's philosophy of life, from Wikipedia....

"Axiological, or constructive, atheism rejects the existence of gods in favor of a "higher absolute", such as humanity. This form of atheism favors humanity as the absolute source of ethics and values, and permits individuals to resolve moral problems without resorting to God."​

To be clear, that paragraph refers to "Axiological, or constructive atheism", which could be seen as humanism.

"Atheism" in itself is only a theological position on deities.

 

[bhsmte]

Atheism is not a philosophy, no matter how you try to twist the English language. It is simply the lack of belief in deities. That's it. What philosophies atheists may or may not have is independent of atheism. If you brought together 20 atheists you would probably get 20 different philosophical views of life. Saying that atheism is a philosophical view on life is like saying that not believing in the Easter Bunny is a philosophical view on life.



No it isn't. If that were the case, then EVERYONE would be a fundamentalist since everyone has philosophical views.



That is the entire purpose of such statements, is it not? When you say that evolution is nothing more than faith you are trying to drag evolution down to your level, are you not? When you call evolution a type of creationism you are doing the same, are you not?

Don't worry about it.

Some need to convince themselves that atheism is a philosophy of life and also convince themselves that it is also on par with their beliefs, which are religion based.

It's all part of the defense mechanism of some and quite necessary to protect their own beliefs. It is both predictable and quite amusing to watch.

 

[justlookinla]

To be clear, that paragraph refers to "Axiological, or constructive atheism", which could be seen as humanism.

"Atheism" in itself is only a theological position on deities.

Yes, atheism is a theological position on deities just as theism is a theological position on deities. Both positions yield a philosophical view of humanity and life. All atheists may not have the same philosophical view, as all theists do not have the same philosophical view, but in either case both have philosophical views shaped by their belief, or lack of belief, in deities. Some are more tolerant of differing views than others, some are fundie, some aren't.

 

[justlookinla]

Don't worry about it.

Some need to convince themselves that atheism is a philosophy of life and also convince themselves that it is also on par with their beliefs, which are religion based.

It's all part of the defense mechanism of some and quite necessary to protect their own beliefs. It is both predictable and quite amusing to watch.

It's impossible for atheism not to influence one's philosophy of life.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course one's view of no deities shapes their life philosophies.

One's views on many things will shape their philosophies. That doesn't make all of those views religions.

It's not just about philosophical views. It's about behavior concerning those philosophical views. There are fundies in every philosophical view, including atheism.

Again, you are stretching fundamentalism past its breaking point. Being vocal is not fundamentalism. Having an opinion is not fundamentalism.

The teaching of Darwinism is a creationist view. In Darwinism, humanity is created by a series of impetuses acting upon a single life form from long long ago. The infinite complexity and variety of life was created entirely, totally, completely, only, solely by naturalistic mechanisms according to Darwinist creationist teachings.

That is not Darwinism. That is justlookinlaism.

 

[bhsmte]

Actually, I think having an opinion makes you a fundamentalist, in their eyes.

More like not agreeing with them, requires they place a label on the person who disagrees with them. They even do it to Christians, like Diz.

How does that quote go?

Religion has all the answers, but doesn't allow any questions.

 

[Loudmouth]

It's impossible for atheism not to influence one's philosophy of life.

It is impossible for your love of your family not to influence your philosophy of life. Loving your family is not a religion.

If something influences your philosophy of life it doesn't make it into a religion. If that were the case, then everything would be a religion, which is ridiculous.

 

[bhsmte]

It's impossible for atheism not to influence one's philosophy of life.

If all atheists had the same philosophy of life, you would have a point.

Since this isn't the case and there are wide differences in philosophy of life amongst atheists, your attempt to secure justlookinlaism, falls woefully short.

Keep telling yourself that though, as I know it is mandatory.