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Remember you are arguing with a guy whose chosen avatar is a magazine he never read that he assumes is against him.
Telling.
Evolution is taught in schools in science classes. In a science class it is appropriate to teach science, its methods and its findings. We don't teach French in a German class, why would we teach a specific religious belief in a science class?How many times do I have to point out that Darwinist creationism taught in schools is inherently atheistic? Everything other than purely, only, totally, completely, solely naturalistic processes to create humanity is disallowed. Not needed. Discarded.
Except it doesn't forbid god from being involved,it just isn't assumed that a god is. How can you not tell that this position isn't atheistic?
"11) We believe that conversations among Christians about controversial issues of science and faith can and must be conducted with humility, grace, honesty, and compassion as a visible sign of the Spirits presence in Christs body, the Church."Would that have changed anything? I find that on this thread, as well as other threads in which I've participated, the responses from Darwinists frequently include mocking, ridicule and personal disparaging.
I try to stay above such behavior, simply post my views and let the truth be presented.
You do realise, don't you Sarah, that you will never change these people' minds...?
All you can hope for is that the lurkers, the people who may not yet have made up their minds about the nature of the world, might pause to consider what you have to say...and, more importantly, the evidence you reference...
Because, clowns like this are beyond reach...
I would venture to say that NO amount of evidence will convince them....none. Their world view is not based upon evidence....it's built upon an emotional need to feel that their life will continue after this one, just as they have been promised by the same religion that informs them that everything around them is relatively new and was all created in a twinkling of an eye, and primarily for their benefit...
Evidence cannot penetrate such a mindset...we have all been treated, for example, to AV's curse that 'science can take a hike' and even that cold evidence itself can 'take a hike'...
They won't change....all we can do is be patient and wait for the last of them to die out.....it won't be long....
He's pointing out that God is involved in creation. He's not supporting the Darwinist creationism teaching that all of life is solely, completely, totally by naturalistic processes.
Many others agree with that view also.....
Page 1 of many many pages......
Remember you are arguing with a guy whose chosen avatar is a magazine he never read that he assumes is against him.
Telling.
One thing that seems common place with some christians (usually the fundie types) is they need to have an enemy. If they need to manufacture one, they will. Itis like watching a dog chase their tail.
Evolution is taught in schools in science classes. In a science class it is appropriate to teach science, its methods and its findings. We don't teach French in a German class, why would we teach a specific religious belief in a science class?
Plenty of Christian sects find no issue with evolution. (Perhaps you should take this matter up with the Pope.)
However, let's say we do wish to include a theistic approach to the origin of man and the universe, which gods do you wish to include. Are you happy to give equal time to Odin, Zeus and Shiva, or will you insist that only the Abrahamic God is acceptable? Not a trick question, but I imagine the answer may be tricky.
But the intention is that both the believer and God and the disbeliever in God can attend school and learn stuff, by maintaining the separation of church and state. I don't want a Hindu teaching my kids how to pray to Vishnu in a public school, do you? Maybe we should also give the Hindu family the right to have their children attend school without being pestered with baptist doctrines.
"11) We believe that conversations among Christians about controversial issues of science and faith can and must be conducted with humility, grace, honesty, and compassion as a visible sign of the Spirits presence in Christs body, the Church."
You are mistaken. Collin's statement was directed at discussion among Christians, and what came to mind were the comments directed at Dizredux by yourself and others.
Is there one scientist on that list that can provide a scientific justification for their scepticism?
Not only that, but if you look at what they signed, there is no real skepticism involved.Is there one scientist on that list that can provide a scientific justification for their scepticism?
A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaWe are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.
You would go to a faith healer? Which one?
Not only that, but if you look at what they signed, there is no real skepticism involved.
A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Of course random mutation and natural selection do not account for the complexity of life. There are are other process involved such as Genetic Drift which some believe is as powerful with evolution as natural selection
If I did not know the use of the statement I would have no problem signing it nor would I think anyone who is familiar with the TOE at would would have difficulties with it. It goes without saying that careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged. A lot of the research in genetics and biology is doing just that.
The Dissent from Darwin is unbelievably bogus and dishonest.
Dizredux
The solution would be to allow intelligent design to be taught alongside Darwinism.
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