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Justagirl, You sound very confused, and I am sorry for that. I answered your OP and then some. I don't think I can continue in this conversation and not sound judgemental. For that reason, I will say a prayer for you and then I shall bow out gracefully. God bless you as you search for His plan for you.
In Christ, GB
justagirl12...
God made you the way he did for a reason. Do I pretend to know what that is? No.
I see nothing wrong with you and consider you another sibling in Christ.
I am sure you are a beautiful person whether you appear male or female or consider yourself either.
You are loved and that is all that matters.
I've needed to label fabric as male or female just never understood the concept really.. I think you couldn't understand.
I just don't get the societal perception that men's clothes are fine for men and women, but women's clothes are for women only. Some cuts don't fit right unless you can fill it out properly, but that affects women as well. Personally, I think that it is comfortable and fits, then enjoy, but sometimes it is not worth the trouble it creates.
no with medical help I could have been male... You know I'd have to change what GOD gave me either way. Gynecomastia isn't accepted in our society like mine at least. Plus I'd have to have cosmetic surgery for facial features and take hormones to develop the muscles etc and I'd have to pretend I was something I'm not...
I would say I've seen some before and after photos of female body builders, and what were some very effeminate soft and curvy girls were naturally transformed into chiseled and cut man looking women, and quite honestly feelings and sexual orientation in the mind, is very much changable,(this I know from experience) if your have the boy parts between your legs, and the internal makeup to produce sperm, you are male.......and while I feel for your whole dilema with all the other criteria that you have been dealt, at the end of the day, you still have male reproduction organs.
Not that I want to get into this discussion, but orientation and gender identity are not changeable. They are hardwired in the brain.
Not that you will ever believe that.
I would say I've seen some before and after photos of female body builders, and what were some very effeminate soft and curvy girls were naturally transformed into chiseled and cut man looking women, and quite honestly feelings and sexual orientation in the mind, is very much changable,(this I know from experience) if your have the boy parts between your legs, and the internal makeup to produce sperm, you are male.......and while I feel for your whole dilema with all the other criteria that you have been dealt, at the end of the day, you still have male reproduction organs.
Hmmm, not since they banned speaking openly about homosexuality have I seen a thread so infested with judgemental, narrow-minded people. Reading these pages has given me a sad and about half drained my daily serving of faith in humanity, so kudos on that I suppose.
As to the the OP....
The thing is, Justagirl, some people are so used to putting everyone they see in one of two boxes that when they encounter someone who doesn't really fit in either box, it makes them very uncomfortable. They've forgotten that there's more than two boxes, that there are as many boxes as there are people.
You're probably going to run into that a lot and I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that. The reason this kind of box thinking seems more concentrated around church is probably because that's where a lot of the box thinking is learned from in the first place. They are taught that god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve and Leslie-the-not-totally-like-Adam-or-Eve. And probably having you there, looking like a girl, sounding like a girl, being called by a boy's pronouns, having male parts, is a reminder of that. A reminder that not everything in the world is explained by their book and their boxes. It probably scares them silly, and that's why they take it out on you, want you to conform to something you're not, want you to choose a box and stay in it, even if it means doing unnatural things to your body just to fit better. They'll tell you that you're sinful, that you're being disruptive, that you have to dress a certain way or you're not allowed in their little club. Don't listen to them. Sounds like you already aren't, which is great.
Wear skirts if you're into them. (Something most guys will never know--skirts are super comfy.) And date girls if you're into them too. A lot of girls are going to see definite advantages to having a boy/girlfriend. Being a blend of genders gives you the chance to be the best of both. Go ahead and be somewhere in between, it won't matter to the people who matter. As a totally straight woman, people assume I'm a lesbian all the time, just because my best friend has short dyed hair and we go everywhere together. The key is not caring and finding other people who won't either.
On that front, it's obvious that your religion is pretty important to you. This may sound like odd advice from a heathen atheist like myself, but you should never let a bunch of idiots stop you from participating in something that is important or meaningful to you. If you liked that church, keep going to it, and keep wearing what makes you comfortable. What are they going to do, bar the doors? Eventually they might even be able to overcome their prejudices and stop popping their monocles when you walk through the door.
But you asked 'why can't they focus on religion instead of societal structures?' And the answer is that church is far more about social structure than religion and always has been. After all, Jesus himself condemned public displays of piety and said it was better to go into an empty room and be spiritual alone with your god. So why all the big freaking buildings with bells in them? Because people get bored in an empty room by themselves with god.
You should look for the social structure that's right for you. So if you don't feel like going back to your old church, and I wouldn't blame you, you should definitely try out some other congregations on your own. I would suggest Universal Unitarians if there is a church in your area. A friend of mine in high school made a project out of spending a sunday at every church in our town and eventually settled on the UU congregation as being the most welcoming, tolerant, and friendly of the lot. Looking back on the few times I went myself, I don't think anyone in the room would have batted an eyelid at your skirt and make-up. Of course, congregations are going to differ widely even within the same branch of a religion, so your experience may not be the same, but I would start there.
Good luck, and don't let the haters bring you down.
Thats a lie you believe, much like you could say no blind man could ever regain their sight, yet by the power of God all things are possible. you just don't believe God is powerful enough to do some really amazing things.......and that is the sad extent of your faith
thats because deep down you didn't want to give up your sin, you held on to your perverted thoughts and didn't rebuke them as lies. I've been educated by the Word of God and it declares that homosexuality is a delusion that people are given over to (as I had once been) and there is freedom from this sin, just as there is freedom from all sin, through the blood and power of Jesus Christ, to anyone WHO DENY'S THEMSELF, and follows Jesus, not everyone will overcome as we see in the book of Revelations, but if you didn't give up and kept pursuing freedom from same sex attraction you would be free also, and looking back you to would see what a deceptive lie it really wasAlready attacking people and you've been here 3 days. Grats.
I know for a fact God doesn't change people's orientation. Get an education please.
Please do not debate homosexuality! This is NOT allowed! Or this thread will close!
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