Why is Christianity opposed to the theory of Evolution?

[JonFromMinnesota]

The 'how' of Darwinist evolution isn't explained by facts nor supported by the scientific method.

Not going to go down this rabbit hole with you justlookinla. I already know that your deeply held beliefs require you to ignore everything contradictory to them. Enjoy your night.

 

[justlookinla]

Not going to go down this rabbit hole with you justlookinla. I already know that your deeply held beliefs require you to ignore everything contradictory to them. Enjoy your night.

No rabbit hole, just stating facts.

 

[As I was saying]

Science doesn't try to prove anything. Scientific theories explain facts. The theory of evolution is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence.

Funny you should say that. As of yet I haven't seen any evidence for evolution, only speculation.

 

[As I was saying]

Not going to go down this rabbit hole with you justlookinla. I already know that your deeply held beliefs require you to ignore everything contradictory to them. Enjoy your night.

Funny you should say that. Your deeply held fantasies require you to ignore everything contradictory to them.

 

[As I was saying]

Can you provide evidence that proves aliens do not exist?

I guess that is your way of saying that what you said is true and you don't like it.

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑

How do you account for the fact that very many christians believe in biological evolution?​

Misleading. Christians don't believe in Godless Darwinist evolution.

Perhaps you have never heard of the Clergy Letter Project. It endorses evolution with no qualifications as you misleadingly posted.

The Clergy Letter has been signed by over 13,000 christian clergy.

Following is part of that signed letter.

The Clergy Letter - from American Christian Clergy
– An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.​

This is their website:
http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christian_Clergy/ChrClergyLtr.htm

I challange you to go to the website, peruse the list of signatories, and look them up or, better yet, send them an email asking about their beliefs.

 

[As I was saying]

How do you determine whether a scientific theory is reliable or not? If you can't answer the question, just say so.

Again, you are sidestepping the issue. We are not talking about scientific theory being reliable. We are talking about scientific theory being called fact.

 

[justlookinla]

ecco said: ↑

How do you account for the fact that very many christians believe in biological evolution?​

Perhaps you have never heard of the Clergy Letter Project. It endorses evolution with no qualifications as you misleadingly posted.

The Clergy Letter has been signed by over 13,000 christian clergy.

Following is part of that signed letter.

The Clergy Letter - from American Christian Clergy
– An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.​

This is their website:
http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christian_Clergy/ChrClergyLtr.htm

I challange you to go to the website, peruse the list of signatories, and look them up or, better yet, send them an email asking about their beliefs.

Yes, I've heard of the Clergy Letter Project.

And this didn't take long. No promotion of a Godless, atheistic, creation seen in the letter. In fact, just the opposite...

"Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation."​

 

[As I was saying]

Abiogenesis is not a claim of evolution. Its a related, but distinctly separate, field. Its like the difference between developing computer processors and developing programming languages.

I have asked many evolutionists how life began and many of them have replied "abiogenesis" so it is a claim of evolutionaries.

 

[thisgospel]

Sorry, that's woefully simplistic.
First, Genesis 1 and 2 are creative narratives more like parables. They contradict the order of creation, the very sequence of plants and animals and mankind, right next to each other! I think that's just one literary cue we are given to understand these passages as theological in intent, not literal.

Second, I'm a TE: Theistic Evolutionist. I still believe God created the world. I don't deny that at all. We're just disagreeing on how because you don't know how to read early Genesis!

Sorry you feel that way. As Joseph said, only God can provide the answer of peace (Genesis 41:16). I have this peace in me. Nothing in the Bible offends me (Psalms 119:165).

I think I know:

1) knowledge cannot safe us
2) we don't know everything
3) we can't know everything
4) we shall know everything

Only God save us. The Bible itself cannot save us. We cannot do anything without God. That is why the Bible is the way it is. God created the vegetation first before creating the Sun to show us that we need the Son not the sun.

Evolution is nothing but a tool used by Atheists to deny God. It cannot explain anything. Darwin came up with Evolution from what he observed in nature. Human mind is very easy to be tricked. Let's say there is a sound in the kitchen. Something was knocked down. Then a cat walks out of the kitchen. Our brain assumes that the cat had knocked of something.

As humans we don't speak the truth. We try to defend Science. That is not the right way. We must question everything. Science is controlled by a small group of people to serve their own purpose.

This people are hindering Science. NASA is hindering Science. Pentagon is hindering Science. Pharmaceutical companies are hindering Science. Bureaucrats are hindering Science. We don't need to defend Science. We need to question Science and let it defend itself.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have asked many evolutionists how life began and many of them have replied "abiogenesis" so it is a claim of evolutionaries.

Saying "abiogenesis," which means "not from biogenesis," is like asking, "Who parked this car here in my spot?" and someone saying, "Not Joe."

Abiogenesis says that life didn't start from reproduction.

Well ... duh.

We know that.

Life didn't start from reproduction.

Life started by divine command from God.

 

[ecco]

And how do you account for the fact that YOU cannot answer a simple question?

Do you mean this question?

How do you account for so many atheists believing that God does not exist when they cannot produce a skerrick of evidence to prove it.
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It's a non-sensical question.

Hundreds of thousands of scientists, who know far more about the subject than you or I ever will, do believe there is overwhelming evidence that supports evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution

An overwhelming majority of the scientific community accepts evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological diversity.[1][2] Nearly every scientific society, representing hundreds of thousands of scientists, has issued statements rejecting intelligent design[2] and a petition supporting the teaching of evolutionary biology was endorsed by 72 US Nobel Prizewinners.[3]
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Many of these scientists are not atheists. Many of these scientists are christians.

Also...
Over 13,000 christian clergy support evolution.

Now, again, how do you account for the fact that very many christians believe in biological evolution?

 

[jackcv]

To be accurate, the thread title is very misleading, since the majority of Christians, accept evolution.

I think the question is correct. However, the essence of the question was why don't Christians believe the theory that humanity originated with a spark in some bygone chemical soup which magically organized itself into multiple vast and complex ecosystems. The discussion, as usual, degraded into convoluted theory ping-pong, which is in itself a good reason not to accept the theories as anything but good starting points.

I have learned by observation that when someone really understands a subject, it is simple. When an explanation is complex, either the explainer is ignorant, or is deliberately trying to confuse others for his/her own profit.

What Christians, Atheists, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and most other people "accept" is what they are taught in school or by society around them. I have noted that many people of every persuasion are there because that is where their friends or family are. Most are ignorant or apathetic about the doctrines of their group. They would like to find eternal truth, but it is hard to find in a world where liars, thieves and murderous power seekers seize power and influence. Some religions even deny that the Almighty is still willing to teach His children personally, so most people hang on to the loving relationships in their lives.

That is pretty smart, really. God is love, and nobody ever said "Good sense never faileth."

Still, to me the simplest, most sensible, and convincing explanation is that somebody deliberately organized all of this. The complexities will gradually fall away, but this is the foundation of what will remain.

 

[justlookinla]

Also...
Over 13,000 christian clergy support evolution.

Now, again, how do you account for the fact that very many christians believe in biological evolution?

Still misleading. You can't reference a single Christian who promotes Godless Darwinist evolution. Christians are theistic concerning creation.

 

[ecco]

Many a word spoken in jest. And of course you can prove you won't be going there?

I find it hard to prove that I will not be going to a place that does not exist. However, ask me again after you prove that hell exists.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hundreds of thousands of scientists, who know far more about the subject than you or I ever will, do believe there is overwhelming evidence that supports evolution.

How many hundreds of thousands of Israelites had Aaron make a golden calf because they didn't know what became of Moses?

 

[ecco]

I believe in God creates through His word and power.

On what do you base your belief? Genesis?

 

[justlookinla]

On what do you base your belief? Genesis?

I base my belief on the bible.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 

[jackcv]

Find out who made this....assuming you believe it's a designed machine.....

A living virus or whatever that was electro-shocked into existence by whatever macroevolutionists think started life on this planet could not organize itself further, unaided. What is the little critter's lifespan?

The initial premise is fatally flawed. Therefore, the most brilliant, logical conclusions will also be flawed.

GMO may be unpopular today, but it is a better, simpler, more rational explanation for the origin of species than random, predatory Macroevolution

 

[ecco]

Yes, I've heard of the Clergy Letter Project.

And this didn't take long. No promotion of a Godless, atheistic, creation seen in the letter. In fact, just the opposite...

"Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation."​

How very deceptive of you to try taking a quote out of context. The very next sentence reads:

Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.​

Here is the entire letter with my emphasis:

Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

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