Benedicta00
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He can and does forgive the sin but what dissolves marriage as it is taught to us in scripture? Not repentance but DEATH. The vow we take says until DEATH do us part.vanshan said:
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He can and does forgive the sin but what dissolves marriage as it is taught to us in scripture? Not repentance but DEATH. The vow we take says until DEATH do us part.vanshan said:Um . . . it this a trick question? I guess He does. I mean, we must truly be contrite for breaking our marriage commitment, but God doesn't despise sinners, He shows them mercy. He is less of a legislator and more of a Loving Counselor in my understanding of Him. You keep asking for proof of my postion, but how many acts of mercy do we read of in the Bible. How many people did Jesus stone, because by the laws of God it was the "right" thing to do? Christ looked sympathetcially to our weaknesses. I believe that says it all. It doen't give us license to sin, so grace and mercy can about, but it reassures us that in the midst of our sin, He can forgive us, if we honestly repent.
Basil
LucasGoltz said:Therese the Champion, at it again! *cue the lions roaring*
I'm sorry, but I dont remember it that way. I seem to remember Basil trying to talk about his church- which he also brought up the schism and such with the RCC- but I dont remember him making false claims. But maybe thats because I just dont think they're false...
You've derailed this thread, Therese. Now I know why all these people PM me and tell me its easier if I just put you on my ignore list.
So, challenging people to substantiate their claims against Our Church and holding them accountable to doing so is wrong?If you are really going to conclude with this after every post, can you actually show it through your words? I see you bringing no peace to ANY of the threads you write in. I see you slicing through threads with a catholic machete, with anything uncatholic taking the full force of your fury.
If you are going to talk about peace, shouldnt you know something about it?
Polycarp1 said:No, Terese. You are among the last people on this board I would ever have suspected of being a "Nine Commandment Christian" (a sarcastic phrase usually directed at Protestant fundamentalists meaning they dropped the one about bearing false witness, if you weren't aware).
But Basil started a thread to witness to why he had found a church home in Orthodoxy. In the course of that, he of course had to explain their claim to be the original church, from which everyone else has schismed. With you having done that song and dance about Catholicism enough, I'm sure you recognized the tune and steps, even when set to an Eastern tempo.
Then you, Shelby, Jason, and a few others showed up and began bemoaning that woe, it's just another attack on Catholicism.
Well, let me explain this to you in the simplest of terms.
By your own church's teachings, grace is not reserved to practicing Catholics. By your own church's teachings, the Orthodox are guilty of at most schism, and are in full communion with the Catholic Church as far as it itself is concerned (cf. Paul VI).
The person doing all the attacking in this thread has been you -- with assists credited to Jason and Shelby. And I would venture to guess that in the eyes of every non-Catholic involved here, and I'd bet at least one Catholic, you have won the battle but lost the war.
Jesus Christ himself gave us the touchstone to know who His true disciples were, and where truth can be found. It's in the 13th chapter of John.
And you have been showing Christian charity, grace, and mercy to such an extent that Fred Phelps is taking notes in envy of your skill.
It is not for me to say this, but I sincerely think you need to repent, get off your high horse, and start acting like a Christian woman instead of the Arbiter of Catholic Doctrine to whom Pope Benedict looks when he needs to be set straight about something.
Forgive me, but a little straight talk of the Dutch Uncle variety seemed called for.
Basil, when opportunity presents, would you kindly explain oikonomia and its relationship to doctrinal rigidity in a bit more depth?
Zunalter said:I may just be in ignorance here...but HOW, exactly, is this debate pleasing to Christ and useful in building the kingdom?
CaDan said:You got me.
Would you like a cookie? We have eggnog, too.
thereselittleflower said:Probably you don't think they are fasle . . . but they are negative statements and we have the right to ask for objective evidence to back them up . . . I don't think anyone has the right to keep posting negative statements about another's Church and Faith and not back them up, especially when requested, do you?
Joykins said:You did not mention the Baklava!
Is outrage!
I actually have baklava. No joke, my sister made it yesterday for her friends.CaDan said:You only posted the recipe.
I didn't know you HAD baklava!
vanshan said:Yes, Therese, you are bright enough to figure out that I mean, more precisely, as I have already said, that God allows someone out of the commitment of marriage to remarry. He forgives the sin of breaking the sacrament of matrimony to remarry. Okay? In extreme cases His mercy is sought, and given I believe.
Basil
Even though he could do a lot worse than orthodoxy they way I see it- this is how much he hates the Catholic Church. But this is just my opinion.CaDan said:Concur.
Harsh words have driven at least one poster here to explore Orthodoxy. Even the promise of Bingo couldn't bring him back.
Would you like a cookie? We have eggnog, too.
Bingo. It's one thing to demonstrate that a priest or bishop has sinned against the faith. We've seen plenty of cheap shots taken at our Church clergy for the sex scanal, even though i've demonstrated this problem exists within the eastern orthodox church as well. Did that get any mea-culpa's from the EO here? no of course not.. but I digress.Shelb5 said:She isnt doing that and neither are we. The EO makes this claim (as we do) that they are the true Church all Theresa is doing along with myself an Jason is taking them to task to prove these claims.
Their claim to fame is that they do not change doctrine and they strictly follow what Christ laid out and we are only pointing out that this is not true, their teaching on marriage and divorce is not rooted in scripture or tradition. If it is, all they have to do is show us this and we can be done here.
That is all any of us have done, is ask them to back all this up by showing us where it is found in revelation to be true.
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