GraceInHim
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Shelb5 said:
how is it a backslap since I left the Church? and you called me a sneak...
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Shelb5 said:No it wasnt.. your comment about needing a piece of paper to be married in the Catholic Church needed to be called on because it was a backhanded slap to the church. Like I said, you do not need a piece of paper- you need a bridegroom who is not already married.
Shelb5 said:Why are you taking this so personally? I dont about your marriage if uit was or wasnt valid. I can only say why the Church would grant an annulment freeing someone to marry again.
JimfromOhio said:Because someone (not you) in this thread have made this a hot topic. Almost every thread I have been into regarding marriage/divorce, that person is there.
I would love to know where Theresa, the Catholic Church, or any one else who is Catholic in this thread said they take that position?thornygrace said:Terese, I do not agree, the purpose of this thread is NOT about remarriage... it is about a member of CF who wanted to discuss his belief and the beliefs of the Eastern Orthodox church.
You have used this thread to discuss how you personally feel that a woman who has been beaten and abandoned even if she is young, say 20 years old and to say that she can never remarry for the rest of her life... and is instead to remain alone and lonely forever while alive....
That is cruel and heartless. And I will point out to you that it is NOT how the Roman Catholic faith would deal with her. She would be allowed to get an annulment and to remarry again.
In EO we do not do annulments. We have confession and a time of pennance and Spiritual Direction by our Priest in who in turn consults with the Bishop over them.
Then, in some circumstances the woman is allowed to remarry... but the next wedding sacriment is not the same as an original marriage sacriment... It includes continued prayers of forgiveness.
This process is a healing process, not a legal process.
vanshan said:While you two are high-fiving, I'm sure the lonely divorced woman who's husband beat the snot out of, is not quite as enthusiatic, while she sits stroking her cats and looking out the window, lonley, having a crisis of faith.
Good job.
Basil
Well you were mistaken because I am only giving the objective reasons why the Church will do an annulment... It has nothing to do with you, I have no clue and its not my concern about your marital status .JimfromOhio said:Because someone (not you) in this thread have made this a hot topic. Almost every thread I have been into regarding marriage/divorce, that person is there.
Because you are showing your contempt by claiming the Church requires something it doesnt- it does not require a piece of paper to marry you if you were married before. It requires that you find out if the marriage was ever there to begin with. Its not all about the paper and you want to spin to make it sound like it is.GraceInHim said:how is it a backslap since I left the Church? and you called me a sneak...
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Shelb5 said:I have heard of equally disturbing things, like bishops hiring assassin to bump off brother bishops.
Shelb5 said:The sins of the clergy and hiding behind them actually proves nothing for anyones side. Catholic, Protestant and EO. Pedophilia is not a Catholic only problem, it is societys problem because priests are not the only ones who hurt kids, their own fathers at times Protestant ministers have done this, Rabbis have and EO clerics have too-
Shelb5 said:it proves what? Nothing as far as the validity of the faith is concerned
vanshan said:Sorry for the sarchasm, but you two are being slick at misrepresenting the Orthodox postion--some serious strawen being beat up.
Basil
thereselittleflower said:Expose them then Basil .. .
We are the ones who are keeping the discussion focused . . . you and others have errected straw men . . . and we have exposed them . . .
This is just a red herring . . . where is the evidence of the straw man arguments you claim we make?
Peace to all
Shelb5 said:I Nothing as far as the validity of the faith is concerned.
If you think sin is only rampart in the Catholic Church then I have some prime real estate above sea level to sell you here in New Orleans.LucasGoltz said:ONE case! ONE. thats all you got. Do you know how many times I've heard of Catholic preists molesting little boys? Thousands. Thats sick. That proves to me that there is something seriously sick in the catholic church. It may not for other people, but it does for me.
While there is a problem with pedophilia in society, nowhere do we see it so prevalent than in the catholic church. Then, when the problem has been found out, the catholic church sends the priest to some other parish. THATS RIDICULOUS! Anyone that destroys the innocence of a child deserves NO place of authority in the church. They deserve to be locked away, and the key thrown away. If they are really sorry, they can spend the rest of their lives writing letters from prison to those they hurt.
It proves that there is a sickness in the catholic church that you and every other catholic I've talked to denies. A sickness that your own church just sweeps under the rug.
N/M i will not engage in this.vanshan said:I know why you want to think so.
I agree that this happens in greater society, but the pervert on the corner doesn't have the position of a priest, and the hierarchy in place to remove him to protect others. The Roman Church failed to remove these priests from posts where they would have access to children to fondle. It's unexusable, and pointing fingers to other groups, who I believe honestly don't have the problem to near the same degree, is just trying to shift the focus off the atrocity of what has happened uniquely in the Roman Catholic religion.
Basil
geocajun said:doncha love it when folks show up around post #650, and then take something from 50 posts back in a vacuum, like nothing else was said to explain it, and then you get to repeat the process all over again.
Is that a cleverly disguised ad hominem attack I see there?Shelb5 said:If you think sin is only rampart in the Catholic Church then I have some prime real estate above sea level to sell you here in New Orleans.
Shelb5 said:Murder for hire is water down because it was only one time? What about being in cahoots with drug dealers? What about fixing trials, getting to the judges and jurors? This does not sound like Christs Church to me, its sound like the mafia
It does speak volumes, Im not going there, I am just pointing out your illogical justification for thinking our sins are greater than anyones else. In a way they are because to who much is given much is expected but the other Christian faiths are just as sinful if not more and exposing it proves nothing other that to justify the atheists atheism.LucasGoltz said:Is that a cleverly disguised ad hominem attack I see there?
You know what? The orthodox church ain't my to defend, so you can go to town. I like how you ignored the rest of my post though. Its speaks volumes...
This is truley pathetic - you should be ashamed of yourself.vanshan said:I know why you want to think so.
I agree that this happens in greater society, but the pervert on the corner doesn't have the position of a priest, and the hierarchy in place to remove him to protect others. The Roman Church failed to remove these priests from posts where they would have access to children to fondle. It's unexusable, and pointing fingers to other groups, who I believe honestly don't have the problem to near the same degree, is just trying to shift the focus off the atrocity of what has happened uniquely in the Roman Catholic religion.
Basil
JimfromOhio said:I went into the list and copied/pasted the posters frequent posts. Here's the list.
Shelb5 108
vanshan 93
thereselittleflower 80
geocajun 48
Iollain 44
CaDan 43
GraceInHim 42
eoe 20
JimfromOhio 17
VNVnation 16
nephilimiyr 15
stone 12
tall73 11
LucasGoltz 10
InnerPhyre 9
djns9437 9
contriteHeart 8
Albion 6
Annabel Lee 6
Aloha Joe 5
Polycarp1 5
Isaiah 53 5
fragmentsofdreams 5
debiwebi 4
Canadian75 4
jameseb 4
prodromos 4
ammagedon 4
Gods Revenger 4
thornygrace 3
seebs 3
frumanchu 3
Warrior Poet 2
revrobor 2
injesuschrist 2
A. believer 2
AwesomeMachine 2
Perceivence 2
CaliforniaJosiah 1
RottenApple 1
proud2bcatholic 1
Axion 1
Espada 1
Mea Culpa 1
jonas3 1
TheDag 1
intricatic 1
Longing4Home 1
franky67 1
U R my Sonshine 1
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