fragmentsofdreams
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geocajun said:
Those are not his words, but the words of another. You'd be well served to find the source of those words.
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geocajun said:I'm referring to your comment
Man has 2 possible eternal destiny's: Heaven or Hell. To state we all go either way is an assumption, and as I said above, a dangerous one.
I know full well who said it, and in what context.fragmentsofdreams said:Those are not his words, but the words of another. You'd be well served to find the source of those words.
Other Christian religions use deception to cover up sin. The Greek Othodox tradition of multiple marriages clearly does not have its root in Jesus Word. The idea we are all conceived immacualtely denies parts of scripture, and blinds people to the fact they are cursed by their ancestors sins. With this type of deceit there is no hope of forgiveness for "all" the sins one carries, even the sins of their dead ancestors. Denial is no better a solution than making things up.
the same would go for the Catholics on the board who have given up on GT either in general, or just for Advent.eoe said:BAH!
Just want to remind the people reading that like 90% of the EO on this forum are not reading GT threads and are not participating.
geocajun said:I know full well who said it, and in what context.
context is your friend.
Let us never pretend the Holy Father stated that everyone gets to heaven.In the objective sense, Man was created destined for heaven - that is a fact;
and to each of us in the subjective sense, man must come to know Jesus and desire to be a part of His Church to get there, and that is another fact.
Properly representing the faith is crucial.
Nowhere did the Holy Father even imply that "we all go to heaven so why bother evangelizing the gospel, enough blood has been shed, etc..." as was implied here.
Where do we see someone using words like swords?fragmentsofdreams said:I don't see a call to end evangelism. Rather, I see a call to end the false evangelism where we use our words like swords against those who disagree with us.
geocajun said:Where do we see someone using words like swords?
Those who distinguish right from wrong? Was St. John the Baptist a bad evangelist, or what about Jesus who came to set fire to the earth?
fragmentsofdreams said:Several on both sides have struck out with verbal daggers in attempts to draw blood. Being on the correct side doesn't excuse these attacks. We are called to convert our enemies, not destroy them.
geocajun said:I completely agree with that - but remember, St. John the Baptist is a Saint. He pulled no punches when declaring what was right and what was wrong. Jesus did not say "John, stop be so brusque" but rather said there was none greater than him. There are many means to evangelize, and some are more effective on some people and others on other people. And while "destroying them" is not a valid means, we should take care not to condem folks who speaking strongly as 'destroyers' anymore than St. John was when he called referred to the pharisees as a brood of vipers.
geocajun said:I completely agree with that - but remember, St. John the Baptist is a Saint. He pulled no punches when declaring what was right and what was wrong. Jesus did not say "John, stop be so brusque" but rather said there was none greater than him. There are many means to evangelize, and some are more effective on some people and others on other people. And while "destroying them" is not a valid means, we should take care not to condem folks who speaking strongly as 'destroyers' anymore than St. John was when he called referred to the pharisees as a brood of vipers.
Poly, i'm confused. Are you requesting that I simply pretend we are 'one' or what exactly? Because we aren't in communion, no matter how much we try to pretend we are.Polycarp1 said:Well, as someone who believes devoutly in the Real Presence in the Eucharist and the importance of the Apostolic Succession, which you yourself, Jason, are on record as denying exists in my tradition, may I respectfully direct you to the passage where Christ denounces the Pharisees, Matthew 23.
For this little game of "we're right, and you're wrong, because we say so, has gotten a bit stale on both sides of the C/O fence. Paul VI and Athenagoras had things to say that are hardly echoed in the words of those who claim to follow them.
[bible]John 17:20-23[/bible]
Are you meaning to imply that him saying that, was a sign that all the stuff he said before is irrelevant?CaDan said:Is this the same John who said, "He must increase; I must decrease"? Perhaps that gives us some insight into the relevance of John's methodology.
But call me crazy.
AwesomeMachine said:The Greek Othodox tradition of multiple marriages clearly does not have its root in Jesus Word.
Shelb5 said:This right here drives home the reason why I disbelieve the EO side of the schism is the true side of the split.
Shelb5 said:I do not deny the Orthodox, linage and legitimacy of their diocese, they are true churches but they just didnt want to come along for the ride as the Holy Spirit guided us through the evolution of theology. For me its their lack of moral theology that shows me thy arent the true church.
Shelb5 said:Todays moral issues (marriage, contraception etc) are to much left up to the subjectivness of our fallen flesh. I guess that would tie into their denial of original sin. They tend to let the flesh rule in these areas and preach forgiveness but yet, when one of their own clergy falls, they want to cut him off with no compassion or mercy.
Shelb5 said:I just dont see this as being scriptural- what Jesus taught us, its reminds me of the Jewish Pharisees being intolerant when they need tolerance and being laxed when they need to call what it is (sin) what it is, (sin)
geocajun said:Are you meaning to imply that him saying that, was a sign that all the stuff he said before is irrelevant?
geocajun said:I completely agree with that - but remember, St. John the Baptist is a Saint. He pulled no punches when declaring what was right and what was wrong. Jesus did not say "John, stop be so brusque" but rather said there was none greater than him. There are many means to evangelize, and some are more effective on some people and others on other people. And while "destroying them" is not a valid means, we should take care not to condem folks who speaking strongly as 'destroyers' anymore than St. John was when he called referred to the pharisees as a brood of vipers.
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