Of course there is. Your experiences and maturity can be limited to good deeds. We don’t need to do evil in order to know good, we don’t need to taste bitter to enjoy sweet, we don’t need to experience poverty to know riches, we don’t need to feel pain in order to enjoy pleasure, we don’t need to be immoral, in order to know morality, we don’t need to do evil in order to know good.Because there is no other way.
Allow me to rephrase Ken's question because I'm curious if you have the same answer.Because there is no other way.
Allow me to rephrase Ken's question because I'm curious if you have the same answer.
If God can do anything and does not like evil, why would He purposely create mankind in a way that requires He resorts to evil in order for Him to mature and become whole?
Well that didn't answer my question at all. Did you notice the key difference between Ken's and my phrasing?If he wanted to allow people to freely choose him then doing it the way he did allows for that.
Well that didn't answer my question at all. Did you notice the key difference between Ken's and my phrasing?
You didn't notice the difference. Is God "whole"? Did God become "whole" by "maturing"?The result of disobeying God is evil. So thats why evil resulted from mankind's disobedience.
Doing it without evil influence allows people to freely choose also. Again; you don't need to do evil to know goodIf he wanted to allow people to freely choose him then doing it the way he did allows for that.
Doing it without evil influence allows people to freely choose also. Again; you don't need to do evil to know good
You didn't notice the difference. Is God "whole"? Did God become "whole" by "maturing"?
That's interesting. Most Christians think God is timeless and has always been perfectly good. So God has done evil in the past?Is God whole? Yes. Did God become whole by maturing? I would think so.
Most Christians think God is timeless and has always been perfectly good. So God has done evil in the past?
That's not what I said. I'm saying if our actions are not evil, that still will not prevent us from maturing. IOW if Jesus can mature without committing an evil act, evil actions are not necessaryIf the result of our action is evil what else would you expect it to be?
I dunno. Maybe the point of life experience to enjoy it? And sure, morality wise there are better ways to enjoy life than others.I don't think God could be God and do evil. I think hes good because he's God and hes God because he's good. Just like Jesus never did evil on earth yet I believe he matured somewhat from his experience on earth compared to having never come. If you aren't maturing even a little bit then what is the point of life experience?
So you've refuted your claim that evil acts are necessary to mature.I don't think God could be God and do evil. I think hes good because he's God and hes God because he's good. Just like Jesus never did evil on earth yet I believe he matured somewhat from his experience on earth compared to having never come.
So you've refuted your claim that evil acts are necessary to mature.
Isn’t that what Heaven is supposed to be like? So I’m not sure your idea holds water.Without evil what need is there in going out of your way to do more than good?
So why hasn't God or Jesus ever done anything evil? You said that God became whole by maturing, so at some point God was not mature, but yet He still couldn't do evil.
Okay, so now we're back in line with what most Christians say. God didn't need to mature to become whole, so maturing isn't a requirement for being whole. One can just be whole and be mature, yes?If I said God became whole by maturing then I must've not finished my thought process. We know God is whole and we know he is mature. If he's not whole and mature then he's not God. I'd say he doesn't do evil because evil is not in his nature.
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