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I understand how you may think that way.Elevating one translation in one language denigrates God's Word in other languages and does not glorify God.
Luke 4:10-11 (KJV)The devil quoted Psalm 91:11-12 in Luke 4. How did he misquote Scripture?
I have argued against JWs in another forum. As for condemning all celebrations: Well, so far I do not see a problem with Thanksgiving because it is founded upon biblical principles by this nation’s founders who were Christian. We do see a thanksgiving to God in Scripture, as well. There is not a lot of odd ritualistic things attached to Thanksgiving, either. It is just a meal with a family whereby we give thanks to God. I see no issue in doing that. Also, guilt by association is not always true. Just because Catholics believe in the Trinity does not mean the Trinity is false just because we may both disagree with Catholicism.This reminds me of what Jehovah's Witness says. No mother's day, birthdays, doughnut day etc.
Commentary is merely explaining what the Scriptures say.Yeah but you on the other hand offer lots of your own personal commentary rather than just quote scripture verbatim. And you probably know that, and if so you're being deceptive. Unless you think all your personal commentary is tantamount to scripture. Which wouldn't surprise me. There's a guy on usenet who thinks all of his personal commentary is from the Holy Spirit, and if you argue against anything he comes up with, you've committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You kinda remind me of him.
So subtle that he didn't change the meaning of the quote.The devil deleted the words “in all thy ways” in Psalms 91:11 when it said, "to keep thee in all thee in all thy ways," and he added the words"at any time” in verse 12.
Remember, the serpent is subtil.
Like I already said, it's deceptive to say or imply that you only post scripture, when the bulk of your posts are your own words.So you believe it is deceptive to quote Scripture verses alone or are you saying it is deceptive to quote Scripture with commentary?
If so, can you explain why that is?
Or are you just throwing around mindless accusations without any biblical backing?
The burden of proof is on you to bring up a Bible verse on why you think I am being deceptive.
Just claiming so without any evidence is just a hollow and empty claim.
All I've ever experienced over the years is you saying how most Christians want to live in sin and don't preach the actual truth of God’s word as it is.Uh, no. I am not like that. There are things in the faith that I can disagree on with other believers that would not be a fellowship issue, and there are things that would cause me to break fellowship over. It depends on what that particular thing is.
In fact, there are 21 theological things I have changed my mind on over the years and other believers have been helpful in that change.
Mostly what I've heard from you over the years is how wrong most Christians are.So no. I am not claiming I always have gotten it right on day one. I had to grow and mature in my study of God’s Word, and I have let Scripture from other believers correct my thinking many times (Which is something that I do not see to often when I encounter other Christians). Granted, I am not trying to boast or anything. I am nothing, and Christ is everything. Any good in my life is due to Him. May Jesus Christ get all the praise and glory and not me.
The way one determines whether what a speaker says is true or false, good or bad, isn't by what scripture verses they post, but by how they expound on scripture. The most false teacher on earth can say, "it's not me saying it, it's the word of God saying it". But in reality it is only just that person saying it.Commentary is merely explaining what the Scriptures say.
This is actually biblical.
It is called expounding upon the Scriptures or giving the sense according to the Bible.
Luke 24:25-27 (KJB)
"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."
Nehemiah 8:8 IKJB)
"So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading."
Blindfold slightly lifted, but then once again secured firmly in place.I reread Jeremiah 10, and I read it in both the KJB and a Modern Translation. It does sound like you can read it as referring to an idol statue that would look like a human of some kind. That said, there is Deuteronomy 16:21-22. Verse 21 talks about not planting any tree near the altar of God, and verse 22 says not to set up an image that the Lord God hates. This sounds like one can read Jeremiah in a similar way in that it can refer to how one is not to even cut a tree down and decorate it with gold, etcetera. We are told not to follow the traditions of the heathen. The secular version of Christmas is originated from the practice of Saturnalia according to Catholic sources. Christmas exists today as a secular worldly holiday and is celebrated by atheists, agnostics, religionists (non-Christians), and Christians. This tells you that it is more of a worldly practice because everyone partakes in such a practice. There are elements in this practice that take on a religious component regardless of whether one is religious or not. The decorated trees, lights on the home, the Santa mythos, gift giving among loved ones, a grand feast, advent calendar. It is a national recognized holiday. Even donut day is recognized as a holiday although it is not as popular unless one wants free donuts or something. Nowhere in Scripture are we encouraged to engage in national holidays celebrated by all people. Christians are to be holy and separate from the world.
I don't want you to convince me, I want you to answer my questions and the points that I've made.In other words, what is a point in trying to convince a person who you know will not hear you no matter what you say in regards to the faith?
You have to apply a little common sense. Is Rahab going to be in the lake of fire for lying to the Canaanite soldiers ? Are the midwives going to be in the lake of fire for lying to Pharaoh? No, obviously anyone can see ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES that their lie was NOT A SIN and that because of their lie God was actually pleased with them. So you’re not applying this information to your interpretation of revelation 21:8.That is your interpretation that I believe is faulty. I believe that such an interpretation is EXTREMELY risky especially in light of how Revelation 21:8 says ALL liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire.
Try this on for size. A wife asks her husband "does this dress make me look fat?". The truthful answer is an automatic "no". Because being overweight is what makes his wife look fat. The dress isn't to blame.Again, it is better not to answer and evade the truth so as not to lie then to lie in order to make them feel better. God takes lying very seriously and it is a salvation issue (See: Revelation 21:8). This is why I believe narrow is the way and FEW be there that find it. Granted, we have our whole life to grow and mature and to learn these things and so I am not looking to condemn or throw down any hammer of Judgment. I am also in a growth process of trying to be more Christ like. We do not know who will grow and see the truth later. I used to love Marvel Comics films, TV series, Star Trek, Alias, James Bond, etcetera. I almost worshiped these things. But God convicted my heart one day of the sin that was being promoted within them. So we have to decide each day of standing up for what is good and right. Lying to your wife and your children to make them feel better is not the way of the LORD or of the fruits of the Spirit. You would only be deceiving yourself if you continue down that current discourse or path.
That is your interpretation that I believe is faulty. I believe that such an interpretation is EXTREMELY risky especially in light of how Revelation 21:8 says ALL liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire. But hey, if you want to take a gamble of your own soul and those you teach, you are free to do so. I would rather take the more conservative approach because my soul is too important to play games with. I really do want to enter the Kingdom one day. But I know if I took the sin and still be saved interpretation, I know it would keep me out of His Kingdom. I am not willing to do that. I would rather take the narrow path and not the wide gate path that everyone is on.
Already discussed these issues many times before. You can read articles online that defend either for or against. As I said, I would rather look out in protecting my soul instead of being overconfident about sin. In short, if I am overzealous, I will still be able to enter His Kingdom even I was wrong (as long as I was loving towards the brethren). But if I justified sin, then, it is a sure fire bet I am not going to make it. This is the approach I take because we are living in the last days of a… "sin filled ME and pleasure culture." Today, if pleasure is not involved in one’s worship of God, they cast the idea aside.
Rahab knew they weren’t going anywhere because they were hiding on her roof. And she said yes they WERE HERE which is a lie because they were still there. So she did lie she knew they weren’t going anywhere and she told them that they were here while they were still there.You are misinformed about the Bible in what it says on this point. See this thread here:
Did God commend or approve Rahab's lie?
Did God commend or approve Rahab's lie?www.christianforums.com
If my memory serves me correct, I believe I was referring to that particular post and I was not saying I do not offer commentary at other times. If you believe my words led to that conclusion please show me which post number and I will fix it.Like I already said, it's deceptive to say or imply that you only post scripture, when the bulk of your posts are your own words.
Right, and it is true. If not, you have blinders on and or you have not ask the right questions with them.All I've ever experienced over the years is you saying how most Christians want to live in sin and don't preach the actual truth of God’s word as it is.
There are other believers who believe as I do. Therefore, they are not my unique singular interpretations.Most of the time in your threads numerous Christians are pointing out the errors in your unique sigular interpretations
Right, I can say the same thing to you in that you are not taking correction of the Scripture on this topic. Believers today have a ME and pleasure centered focus and you just do not see that being taught in the Bible. We do not see anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus and His apostles gave an allowance for the church to engage in secular worldly holidays that have pagan practices attached to them whereby atheists, agnostics, religionists (Non-Christians), and Christians all celebrate on a specific day not mentioned in Scripture, but is a pagan day of worshiping different gods. We are told in Scripture not to follow the ways of heathen nations. Again, nobody here was able to refute my OP as a whole. I will concede that Jeremiah 10 is not sufficient grounds alone to make my case here. It is also should be read with Deuteronomy 16:21-22, and with other verses. The Scriptures say what fellowship does light have with darkness? So when unbelievers are celebrating Christmas, we are joining in on fellowshipping with them on that day (December 25th). Again, this has to do with standing up for having fun with your family on a particular day. This has very little do with you following Jesus Christ of which you can do without this holiday.and the preaching that comes out of it, and you steadfastly oppose any correction. Instead you liken yourself to Jesus and liken them to Pharisees.
I am just telling things how it is, and not how we would wish things to be. It’s the reality we are living in these last days.Mostly what I've heard from you over the years is how wrong most Christians are.
If it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it. I hear it from various people that they're only posting scripture when they're posting a lot more than that.If my memory serves me correct, I believe I was referring to that particular post and I was not saying I do not offer commentary at other times. If you believe my words led to that conclusion please show me which post number and I will fix it.
Obviously that was not what I intended. I have been posting here a long time on these forums and I obviously believe we can give commentary and there are times we just quote Scripture as an answer. So there is no contradiction in what I said.
But of course this is a side distraction away from the topic of the thread. Attack the person rather than address the topic.
I think that's more a matter of your interpretation rather than reality.If my memory serves me correct, I believe I was referring to that particular post and I was not saying I do not offer commentary at other times. If you believe my words led to that conclusion please show me which post number and I will fix it.
Obviously that was not what I intended. I have been posting here a long time on these forums and I obviously believe we can give commentary and there are times we just quote Scripture as an answer. So there is no contradiction in what I said.
But of course this is a side distraction away from the topic of the thread. Attack the person rather than address the topic.
Right, and it is true. If not, you have blinders on and or you have not ask the right questions with them.
You can see in this thread here reactions by Christians in their thinking they can sin and still be saved.
Prove your case biblically that believers can willfully sin and still be saved while doing so.
IMPORTANT NOTE: "Please read the thread rules below so as to participate properly in this thread topic." Prove your case biblically that believers can willfully sin and still be saved while doing so. Popular Christianity teaches that Christians can abide in unconfessed sin and still be...www.christianforums.com
Currently even in this thread, Christians try to rationalize how lying to their children about the existence of Santa is not a sin. They also think that lying to their children about imaginary family members is not a lie (or sin). However, telling a falsehood is a lie.
Exodus 23:1-2
“ Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:”
The Bible provides a clear directive against lying, even in the face of widespread deceit. Jesus emphasizes that Satan is the originator of lies, and when we partake in dishonesty, we align ourselves with Satan.
John 8:44
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
What you believe isn't anything special. How you apply it and present it however needs improvement. That will probably happen as you get older and wiser.There are other believers who believe as I do. Therefore, they are not my unique singular interpretations.
When you have a majority of Christians telling you that you're in error about a number of subject over a span of years, you're most likely in error. Period end of story. Stop coming up with scenarios mixed with scripture to prove to yourself that you're right and most everyone else is wrong.Right, I can say the same thing to you in that you are not taking correction of the Scripture on this topic. Believers today have a ME and pleasure centered focus and you just do not see that being taught in the Bible. We do not see anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus and His apostles gave an allowance for the church to engage in secular worldly holidays that have pagan practices attached to them whereby atheists, agnostics, religionists (Non-Christians), and Christians all celebrate on a specific day not mentioned in Scripture, but is a pagan day of worshiping different gods. We are told in Scripture not to follow the ways of heathen nations. Again, nobody here was able to refute my OP as a whole. I will concede that Jeremiah 10 is not sufficient grounds alone to make my case here. It is also should be read with Deuteronomy 16:21-22, and with other verses. The Scriptures say what fellowship does light have with darkness? So when unbelievers are celebrating Christmas, we are joining in on fellowshipping with them on that day (December 25th). Again, this has to do with standing up for having fun with your family on a particular day. This has very little do with you following Jesus Christ of which you can do without this holiday.
I address that topic in that thread. One can speak true words using clever word play that can be slightly misleading but it is not technically a lie. Only the listeners can read it the right way or the wrong way. I believe I explained that if you were to read through my posts in that thread. I am pretty settled on that point or topic. I have discussed it many many many times. Not really looking to dig up that point again at this time in my life. My words on that thread express my belief on the matter. If you don’t accept them, that is your choice of course. People try to justify sin in these last days and so if you interpretation is to think lying is okay in certain circumstances then you need to have a clear cut case where God specifically makes that point clear like God saying, “Thou can deceive your enemies and tell them things that are not true, but thou shalt not lie to your beloved neighbor.” If you have something clear cut and dry like that, then I could see you believing the way you do. But there is no clear cut verse like that. Assumptions are made off of a story to justify the sin of lying, which is simply a huge gamble to take if one believes sin can separate them from GOD. But alas, most of Christianity believes you can sin and still be saved on some level, as long as your not a George Sodini or anything.Rahab knew they weren’t going anywhere because they were hiding on her roof. And she said yes they WERE HERE which is a lie because they were still there. So she did lie she knew they weren’t going anywhere and she told them that they were here while they were still there.
Either bring up the post for me to correct it, or let it go. Obviously that was not my intention and you are trying to make a non-existent charge stick to divert away from discussing the actual topic. I don’t always communicate with 100% clarity and neither do you. So stop treating my words like they are meant to be 100% perfect in clarity at all times. Even the Bible has words that can be a little confusing. So if you are going to fault me, then you also have to fault the Bible.If it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it. I hear it from various people that they're only posting scripture when they're posting a lot more than that.
Obviously just saying so does not mean anything without actually backing up your claims with Scripture. Just saying so is no different than a mindless mob screaming to attack with pitch forks and flaming torches. One has to be grounded in truth with the Word and make their case with the Bible in a rational, loving, and respectful way.I think that's more a matter of your interpretation rather than reality.
There’s that mob mentality again. Again, use Scripture to prove your case instead of using your opinions or thoughts for a change.What you believe isn't anything special. How you apply it and present it however needs improvement. That will probably happen as you get older and wiser.
Did you miss the part about Matthew 7 and the FEW be there that find “life” point that I made?When you have a majority of Christians telling you that you're in error about a number of subject over a span of years, you're most likely in error. Period end of story.
If your next response is not with Scripture and done in respect and love and without the cartoon mob attack, then I am moving on from our current discourse and I will strive to not directly reply to your posts.Stop coming up with scenarios mixed with scripture to prove to yourself that you're right and most everyone else is wrong.
I'll get to the rest later if I remember.
But what if you are wrong? There is a lot at stake involving our soul if we are. That’s the point.You have to apply a little common sense. Is Rahab going to be in the lake of fire for lying to the Canaanite soldiers ? Are the midwives going to be in the lake of fire for lying to Pharaoh? No, obviously anyone can see ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES that their lie was NOT A SIN and that because of their lie God was actually pleased with them. So you’re not applying this information to your interpretation of revelation 21:8.
I already did.Either bring up the post for me to correct it, or let it go.
Please don't play the victim card being persecuted routine. Keep in mind that I'm a lot more easy going than you. BTW is that a clip from a cartoon you'd tell everyone is a sin to watch?Obviously that was not my intention and you are trying to make a non-existent charge stick to divert away from discussing the actual topic. I don’t always communicate with 100% clearity and neither do you. So stop treating my words like they are meant to be 100% perfect in clarity at all times. Even the Bible has words that can be a little confusing. So if you are going to fault me, then you also have to fault the Bible.
Obviously I was not saying I only post Scripture and I never offer commentaries.
Please do not be like a pitch fork and torch burning mob please.
I can't back up what goes through your head and into text with scripture.Obviously just saying so does not mean anything without actually backing up your claims with Scripture. Just saying so is no different than a mindless mob screaming to attack with pitch forks and flaming torches. One has to be grounded in truth with the Word and make their case with the Bible in a rational, loving, and respectful way.
Nope it's just concerned Christians trying to set you straight regarding your errors. But you keep coming up with all kinds of reasons to resist our counseling.There’s that mob mentality again. Again, use Scripture to prove your case instead of using your opinions or thoughts for a change.
I've been reading the bible for over 50 years. I was quite familiar with Matt 7:13-14 long before you and I crossed paths. Your interpretation of it is as I said more like walking on a tightrope made of banana peels over the pit of hell. I think you've let yourself get wound up too tight and you're projecting that onto everyone else.Did you miss the part about Matthew 7 and the FEW be there that find “life” point that I made?
Did you even read Matthew 7 to check it out? Or did you just do the cartoon mob thing?
The opposite of love is indifference. If I was indifferent to you, I wouldn't be doing this. You've told me in the past that you think soft pedaling is the the wrong approach in reaching others, so I don't see why you're asking for that.If your next response is not with Scripture and done in respect and love and without the cartoon mob attack, then I am moving on from our current discourse and I will strive to not directly reply to your posts.
Likewise I'm wishing you nothing but good things to you in Jesus Christ. The discord going on here and in your other treads is not a good thing. I think you should strive to put an end to it by listening to what a lot of your brothers and sisters in Christ have been telling you for a long time, instead of seeing them as a sinful mob you have to fight.In either case, I am wishing nothing but good things to you in Jesus Christ.
I already did.
Please don't play the victim card being persecuted routine. Keep in mind that I'm a lot more easy going than you. BTW is that a clip from a cartoon you'd tell everyone is a sin to watch?
I can't back up what goes through your head and into text with scripture.
Nope it's just concerned Christians trying to set you straight regarding your errors. But you keep coming up with all kinds of reasons to resist our counseling.
I've been reading the bible for over 50 years. I was quite familiar with Matt 7:13-14 long before you and I crossed paths. Your interpretation of it is as I said more like walking on a tightrope made of banana peels over the pit of hell. I think you've let yourself get wound up too tight and you're projecting that onto everyone else.
The opposite of love is indifference. If I was indifferent to you, I wouldn't be doing this. You've told me in the past that you think soft pedaling is the the wrong approach in reaching others, so I don't see why you're asking for that.
Likewise I'm wishing you nothing but good things to you in Jesus Christ. The discord going on here and in your other treads is not a good thing. I think you should strive to put an end to it by listening to what a lot of your brothers and sisters in Christ have been telling you for a long time, instead of seeing them as a sinful mob you have to fight.
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