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Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

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while we are tossing our christmas trees to the curb perhaps we should throw the church building along with it.
 
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while we are tossing our christmas trees to the curb perhaps we should throw the church building along with it.

I wasn't expecting everyone to understand the same conviction that I have on the Scriptures. I heard about Christians not celebrating Christmas before, but I never really ventured into looking at the reasons biblically because at the time I was not interested in hearing it. At this point in my life, I decided to look into it more and be open to the verses on it because I have put away other worldly things out of my life like secular movies, and secular music, etc.

For it's all about...

love not the world, and neither the things in the world (See 1 John 2:15-17).

I believe anyone who is truly open to giving up the things of this world and they are interested in following what God's Word says alone, then they will see those verses that I presented in the OP. Those who like Christmas and never would even remotely consider of ever giving it up at this time of their life are obviously not going to see what those verses I had presented say. It's like the first time I seen one of those Jesus optical illusion signs. At first, I could not see what it said until somebody physically pointed it out to me. But I had to have the desire to want to see what it said, though.
 
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We have no end:

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
 
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while we are tossing our christmas trees to the curb perhaps we should throw the church building along with it.

Didn't Christ say, "Where two or more are gathered, I am in the midst of them."

2+ people in fellowship is Church; no edifice is necessary. Do you think spirit-filled Asians miss Church because they have to hide in secret to fellowship - underground, in holes, in rooms of homes, etc.?

You said what you said flippantly, perhaps, but that is an example of how the spirit will speak the truth even in things we consider sour (e.g. scoffing).
 
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We have no end:

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Do not be deceived; many will say they did works in His name, and will be treated as strangers. Only those that believe in Him and do what He says will be saved. That isnt everyone.

But, we are not the Most High God; we have a beginning - which is why birthdays are an age-old tradition of man.
 
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Thank you for speaking wrongfully of me.
I will rejoice in God my Savior.

Anyways, Paul talked about those who preach another Jesus that he did not preach, that we should bear with them. Did Paul preach about the version of Jesus at Christmas time? No. For one, this celebration is not mentioned. Two, it's a different Jesus because the holiday teaches that it is okay to use pagan things and celebrate on highly notorious pagan days, and focus on greed and materialism in a family gift exchange that is under compulsion (Which is contrary to 2 Corinthians 9:7).

Atheists hate the idea of any mention of Jesus (even if it is a Jesus that is not preached in the Bible). So no. I am not against Jesus as mentioned in the Bible. I am against a version of Jesus that is not revealed to us in the Holy Scriptures (Especially when this Jesus is tied to things that run contrary to Scripture).
 
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the church building is both not biblical and it's also directly from traditions of men, specifically the Roman Hall. in fact a lot of what we see in church is from roman systems including the names.
 
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the church building is both not biblical and it's also directly from traditions of men, specifically the Roman Hall. in fact a lot of what we see in church is from roman systems including the names.

Yes, I believe the proper form of fellowship is what we see described in the New Testament. Believers only gathered in each others homes every first week (that involves the breaking of bread, i.e. the Lord's supper, and the collection for the saints to fit the ministry needs and not to make anyone wealthy or to pay a person's luxurious salary). The popular churches of today is not what we see in the NT. This is why I seek Bible study groups, etc.

Traditional churches is a collection of believers and unbelievers worshiping God together. But what fellowship does light have with darkness?
 
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gathering is biblical, having special buildings to do so is not which is a model directly influenced by roman halls and pagan temples converted into churches during constantine. this doesn't mean it is wrong or misguided and there are good values with it, there are also values in this model that miss the point too but can we not say the same for Christmas? As Christians we can use the day to give glory to God as we can use a post-biblical building influenced by worldly systems to glorify God.
 
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I follow the Church Christ established on Earth not the interpretations of a man born 2000 years after Christ.
 
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does this mean you are also boycotting church buildings or do you still see value in them even with its impure roots? If yes, could there also be redeeming values in Christmas, including the tree, even with its impure roots?
 
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Stop celebrating birthdays while you're at it.
And Easter.
 
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And Easter.

Yes, that too. The disciples preached the resurrection of Jesus, but nowhere in the Bible (as far as I'm aware) are we told to celebrate the anniversary of the crucifixion and resurrection with a festival. Yet the vast majority of Christians do. And Easter is as full of "pagan" elements as Christmas. It coincides with pagan spring festivals (in the Bible, Jesus' death coincided with Passover, but in the Western calendar the date of Easter is counted from the spring equinox) and of course all the added trappings of rabbits, eggs, chickens etc. are pre-Christian symbols of fertility and new life. You could easily argue the majority of people who celebrate Easter aren't doing so because of anything to do with Jesus, they're doing so because they love an excuse to have a long weekend and indulge in chocolate. And from that you could argue that Christians are wrong to celebrate it, no matter why they think they're celebrating it, because the entire holiday is pagan and non-Biblical and materialistic and a tradition of man. That's precisely what you're saying about Christmas. So in order to be consistent, Jason (and Kaon), you really need to be arguing the same things about Easter.

And what about Thanksgiving? I'm not American and I've never been in America at that time of year, but I understand Thanksgiving is actually your biggest holiday of the year, bigger even than Christmas to many people. It's not in the Bible. It isn't a Christian or Jewish holiday ordained by God. It's essentially a late harvest festival — paganism again, with all that symbolism drawn from nature and even from Native American culture. Nothing in it at all points specifically to God or Jesus, no matter how Christians may try to claim it does. It's essentially about celebrating with family and friends and indulging in turkey. And of course, because it makes a four-day weekend, the day after your Thanksgiving is "Black Friday" when all the insane materialism really starts up. See what it all leads to? How can any true Christian celebrate this? Again, you really do need to be as anti-Thanksgiving as you are anti-Christmas if you want to be consistent and logical here.
 
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The Protestant “reformation” wasn’t a reformation, it was a schism. Not the first schism either. I notice that your a Seventh Day Adventist since you talk about following the traditions of man, wasn’t your church founded by a man and a women who claimed revelation and visions from God?
 
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Thank you for your words.
They are an encouragement to me.
This will be my first year of not celebrating Christmas.
For me: This was a recent revelation to me by God's Word and other historical sources.
Jason I pray you will be encouraged, it is not easy and you only have to see the responses here on this forum.
I am more and more really trying to focus on what God has commanded us to do rather than practices of men.
It is up to each one of us to follow God with as clear a conscience as possible.
I don't like when things become personal attacks which is why I'm not going to keep on posting on this topic.
I spoke about it last Christmas on the Confessional forum and it was pretty much like this one as far as responses.

It is very hard on one level going against the "norm" but oh so simple when you strip it back to Scripture. God Bless you for your thoughtful posts and remember "with God on your side is a majority"
Thank you for your OP and the Christian love in which it was spoken.
 
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The context of what I replied to was that since we are critical (and, may ultimately dissociate from Christmas), we may as well dissociate from the bible building.

With that, there is absolutely no biblical canonical text that says you must have a temple or building to worship the Most High God. And, Christ said that when two or more are gathered He is in the midst.

If men want buildings to worship their gods, then that is fine. But, it isn't from the Word of God except for temple culture - which couldn't understand that while the house of God was the temple, The Most High God was EVERYWHERE.

People think you have to go to a building with a preacher in order to experience Christ. That is a gross perpetuation of a misunderstanding of fellowship and CHURCH.
 
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I follow the Church Christ established on Earth not the interpretations of a man born 2000 years after Christ.

The Church the Word of God established had no doors or walls, and no denominational doctrine. It was pure Word of God.
 
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does this mean you are also boycotting church buildings or do you still see value in them even with its impure roots? If yes, could there also be redeeming values in Christmas, including the tree, even with its impure roots?

You are comparing something that is in no way the same thing. One is the wrongful gathering of the saints. The other is a secular holiday for all people of faith (regardless of a person's faith) with the celebration of Santa and Jesus's birth tacked on to an already pagan festival with greed, materialism, and in some cases lying attached.
 
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