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It's about one simple word: FREEDOM
<< America is about Freedom and its military exists to preserve Freedom for its citizens. The great thing about this nation is you can freely practice Christianity, Islam, Judism, Mormanism, UFOism, whatever, etc. without fear or reprisal from the government and in absolute safety. >>
OK, that's why I haven't lost all hope. But the imperialism is at this moment prevailing in your country. Maybe the democracy can return, and an open eye for the intrests of the world community.
<< America is about Freedom and its military exists to preserve Freedom for its citizens. The great thing about this nation is you can freely practice Christianity, Islam, Judism, Mormanism, UFOism, whatever, etc. without fear or reprisal from the government and in absolute safety. >>
OK, that's why I haven't lost all hope. But the imperialism is at this moment prevailing in your country. Maybe the democracy can return, and an open eye for the intrests of the world community.
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I disagree - and you have no idea what you are talking about to say that imperialism is prevailing in America.
Unfortunately the interests of the world community do not align with the tennets of Freedom - which is why the world community despises nations such as America. Actually there is no such thing as a world community - because every nation that represents the "world community" has its own interests that each places above those of others. America's interest happens to be freedom and protection for its own citizens first.
If a "world community" truly existed that was interested in Freedom, dictators such as Saddam Hussein would not have to be dealt with by only a handful of nations.
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google: imperialism <enter> looking for a definition.
simply the first hit: the USA, The age of imperialism.
http://www.smplanet.com/imperialism/toc.html
Illustration on how you are obviously held ignorant, called 'patriotism':
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
<Of the various notions about imperialism circulating today in the United States, the dominant view is that it does not exist. Imperialism is not recognized as a legitimate concept, certainly not in regard to the United States. One may speak of "Soviet imperialism" or "nineteenth-century British imperialism" but not of U.S. imperialism. A graduate student in political science at most universities in this country would not be granted the opportunity to research U.S. imperialism, on the grounds that such an undertaking would not be scholarly. While many people throughout the world charge the United States with being an imperialist power, in this country persons who talk of U.S. imperialism are usually judged to be mouthing ideological blather. >
<<Imperialism has been the most powerful force in world history over the last four or five centuries, carving up whole continents while oppressing indigenous peoples and obliterating entire civilizations. Yet, it is seldom accorded any serious attention by our academics, media commentators, and political leaders. When not ignored outright, the subject of imperialism has been sanitized, so that empires become "commonwealths," and colonies become "territories" or "dominions" (or, as in the case of Puerto Rico, "commonwealths" too). Imperialist military interventions become matters of "national defense," "national security," and maintaining "stability" in one or another region. In this book I want to look at imperialism for what it really is. Across the Entire Globe
By "imperialism" I mean the process whereby the dominant politico-economic interests of one nation expropriate for their own enrichment the land, labor, raw materials, and markets of another people. >>
simply the first hit: the USA, The age of imperialism.
http://www.smplanet.com/imperialism/toc.html
Illustration on how you are obviously held ignorant, called 'patriotism':
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
<Of the various notions about imperialism circulating today in the United States, the dominant view is that it does not exist. Imperialism is not recognized as a legitimate concept, certainly not in regard to the United States. One may speak of "Soviet imperialism" or "nineteenth-century British imperialism" but not of U.S. imperialism. A graduate student in political science at most universities in this country would not be granted the opportunity to research U.S. imperialism, on the grounds that such an undertaking would not be scholarly. While many people throughout the world charge the United States with being an imperialist power, in this country persons who talk of U.S. imperialism are usually judged to be mouthing ideological blather. >
<<Imperialism has been the most powerful force in world history over the last four or five centuries, carving up whole continents while oppressing indigenous peoples and obliterating entire civilizations. Yet, it is seldom accorded any serious attention by our academics, media commentators, and political leaders. When not ignored outright, the subject of imperialism has been sanitized, so that empires become "commonwealths," and colonies become "territories" or "dominions" (or, as in the case of Puerto Rico, "commonwealths" too). Imperialist military interventions become matters of "national defense," "national security," and maintaining "stability" in one or another region. In this book I want to look at imperialism for what it really is. Across the Entire Globe
By "imperialism" I mean the process whereby the dominant politico-economic interests of one nation expropriate for their own enrichment the land, labor, raw materials, and markets of another people. >>
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Every country in the world is guilty of the above definition of "Imperialsim!"
As I said - every nation has its own interests that it puts above that of the "world community" - hence the entire concept is rediculous. To say that America doesn't do this would be rediculous too - however America's main purpose is to protect the interests and safety of its own FREE citizens. That cannot be said of many other nations.
Since America is the most powerful of nations (currently anyway) it is only to be expected that those less powerful, jealous nations would accuse it of some sort of "imperialism" when they themselve are guilty of it - though perhaps on not as grand a scale simply because they are smaller or poorer.
Fact of the matter is - other countries love to do business with America - simply because we can pay top dollar for their resources. They get mad at us when we won't do business with them.
I think it is also necessary to point out again that the dominat politico-economic interest of America is "Freedom and safety for its own citizens." That is not the case for many nations - such as China and Cuba.
As I said - every nation has its own interests that it puts above that of the "world community" - hence the entire concept is rediculous. To say that America doesn't do this would be rediculous too - however America's main purpose is to protect the interests and safety of its own FREE citizens. That cannot be said of many other nations.
Since America is the most powerful of nations (currently anyway) it is only to be expected that those less powerful, jealous nations would accuse it of some sort of "imperialism" when they themselve are guilty of it - though perhaps on not as grand a scale simply because they are smaller or poorer.
Fact of the matter is - other countries love to do business with America - simply because we can pay top dollar for their resources. They get mad at us when we won't do business with them.
I think it is also necessary to point out again that the dominat politico-economic interest of America is "Freedom and safety for its own citizens." That is not the case for many nations - such as China and Cuba.
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It's the higher-ups, not the Soldiers.
In 'Nam the higher-ups sat on a lot of things, things like My Lai. You can make disturbing parallels with Iraq to Vietnam (F.I. Abu Gharib). It is leadership that is always the problem. Don't blame the soldiers, blame the SP's, IWS's, and the CIF and his henchmen if you don't like what you see or what you hear.
As for the military being a tool for big business, this could not be farther from reasonable speculation. I will not waste my time.
The soldiers serve each for their own cause in the pursuit of freedom.
If freedom isn't an asset to bless in God's eyes, then I don't know what is. It sure would make me think thrice about calling myself a Christian if I thought otherwise.
DE OPPRESSO LIBER!
In 'Nam the higher-ups sat on a lot of things, things like My Lai. You can make disturbing parallels with Iraq to Vietnam (F.I. Abu Gharib). It is leadership that is always the problem. Don't blame the soldiers, blame the SP's, IWS's, and the CIF and his henchmen if you don't like what you see or what you hear.
As for the military being a tool for big business, this could not be farther from reasonable speculation. I will not waste my time.
The soldiers serve each for their own cause in the pursuit of freedom.
If freedom isn't an asset to bless in God's eyes, then I don't know what is. It sure would make me think thrice about calling myself a Christian if I thought otherwise.
DE OPPRESSO LIBER!
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<As for the military being a tool for big business, this could not be farther from reasonable speculation>
Any historybook should teach you otherwise...
Afghanistan: The Oil pipeline got started afther the US invasion.
Iraq: The contractor work was divided among large companies mid-2001. The oil supply for Russia was a concern to them, the US made them clear they would not cut it off.
Use Google to get informed. Also check the BBC for comments on oil and Afghanistan.
Any historybook should teach you otherwise...
Afghanistan: The Oil pipeline got started afther the US invasion.
Iraq: The contractor work was divided among large companies mid-2001. The oil supply for Russia was a concern to them, the US made them clear they would not cut it off.
Use Google to get informed. Also check the BBC for comments on oil and Afghanistan.
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I would like to add that I can understand these strategic manoeuvres, I just mention it to confront all the freedom-believers with the importance of securing the oil supplies and the misuse of the concept of freedom and terrorism.
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