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Why I refuse to vote for BHO

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Why I Refuse to Vote for Barack Obama - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic








This article goes on to endorse Gary Johnson. I won't be voting for GJ, because of him being more a libertarian. I think I might vote in James K. Polk, zombie president. Invading Mexico and threatening to invade and annex Canada up to Alaska just speaks to my demographic. ;-)


But seriously, any other liberals feel that way? You know you don't like Romney, and you like Obama personally, but you just can't stomach up the vote for him....
 

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The continuation of American militraism is one of the most dissappointing things for me about the Obama presidency. On one hand there are practical considerabtion and a great deal of inertia to resist but I do feel he could have done more.

I think the action in Libya was the right thing to do though the political outcomes are uncertain. In respect to a military action it went as perfectly as could be expected.

I think Romney would be significantly worse as a president for this sort of action. From a CEO focus, war can be very good for business.

It's important that people bring up these issues for discussion but as for how they actually cast their vote, I keep coming back to the Chris Rock quote:
If you vote against Obama because he can't get stuff done, it's like saying, "this guy can't cure cancer. I'm gonna vote for cancer."
 
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Terrorizing innocent Pakistanis, extrajudicial killing of American citizens and committing U.S. forces to war in Libya without Congressional approval pales in comparison to the Bush Administration's committing America to a decade of war in Iraq based on the existance of those illusive WMD.

The reality is that unless Romney or Obama achieve the unlikely prospect of winning majorities in both the House and Senate, both are doomed to 4 more years of political deadlock.

The situation is further complicated by the turmoil in the Europen Union which have a direct impact on the American economy but in which the president is largely relegated to spectator status.
 
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But seriously, any other liberals feel that way? You know you don't like Romney, and you like Obama personally, but you just can't stomach up the vote for him....
What I know is that Romney would be much more damaging to the country than Obama. So I see him as the lessor of two evils. And being here in Texas where the EC votes are going to Romney no matter how I vote, I have toyed with the idea of going Green or Socialist. But I also see that in the near future, perhaps by as early as 2020 Texas will become a blue state again, so I will add my vote to the Dem Presidential ticket this year and beef up the numbers of votes cast Democrat in hopes that in the future that will swing others to go that way too.

I also know that the real votes that matter are the downballot races, and that the hope of putting in progressive congress members lies not with the GOP but with the Democratic party, both nationally and locally. The 70 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus is a start, but it is not enough yet, we need more.

I hold no illusions on how Washington works. It is run by the corporate interests who have the money to gain the access to the inner circles of power. In my mind there HAS to be a viable third party (or maybe it will be a fourth or fifth party), but that time is not now. I am very interested in what will happen with the GOP in a Romney loss, will it split and what ramifications will that have on the Dems? But that is after this election, not before it.
 
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Correction, Bush only oversaw Afghanistan until he left office Jan 20 2008 every thing after that is Obamas baby. He could have had the troops start packing Jan 21 but he did not, he sent in more and kept us involved.

Obama turned out to be Bush lite, I did not support the original and I do not the watered down version.
 
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Correction, Bush only oversaw Afghanistan until he left office Jan 20 2009 every thing after that is Obamas baby. He could have had the troops start packing Jan 21 but he did not, he sent in more and kept us involved.
Fixed that for you. Nonetheless you are correct.
 
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The reality is that unless Romney or Obama achieve the unlikely prospect of winning majorities in both the House and Senate, both are doomed to 4 more years of political deadlock.

And now you have one of my major reasons for voting for Mitt Romney. Obama isn't likely to get a majority in Congress, and Democrats could lose seats in the Senate, and yes, we would have 4 more years of deadlock.

We can't afford this. Obama has proven he can't work without a majority party in both Senate and the House. We have SERIOUS issues to deal with, and waiting four more years to address them will only magnify the problems. Kick the can down the road, for 4 more years!

It is time to give Mitt Romney the opportunity to lead. If he fails, we'll vote him out in 2016.
 
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I'm still on the fence. Despite his actions as president described in the article, i see him as the lesser of two evils.

The drone war being waged - yes, i disagree with it. It started before Obama, although admittedly, Obama has increased that activity significantly. From Romney's war mongering approach to middle eastern affairs (at least Obama sees that there are other options in Iran than war), i see absolutely no possibility of this changing under a Romney administration.

Likewise, with the killing of an American citizen without due process, habeas corpus died under the Bush administration. Indefinite detention, torture - extra-judicial killing just seemed like the inevitable conclusion with what was constructed under the guise of "the war on terror".

As far as the deployment of troops in Libya, this didn't strike me as much different than any of the actions of any presidents since Reagan. Perhaps there is more of a difference here than i currently understand.

I don't enthusiastically support Obama. I supported him moderately in 2008. At this point, i support not letting Romney becoming elected. Unfortunately, we've been stuck in a 2-party paradigm, in which both parties represent a continuation of many establishment policies i disagree with, as well as both parties being rife with corruption.
 
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A very good summary from another member on here. It is located in the USSA thread at post 275, but is worth reading so I'll repeat it here:

 
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History has shown that few presidents enjoy the luxury of having their party win majorities in both the House and the Senate.

GWB achieved that benefit for 6 of his 8 years - it was a failed opportunity that never translated into the promised economic prosperity that tax cuts were supposed to bring.

GWB inherited Clinton budget surpluses and left Obama with the largest recession since 1929, a federal debt/GDP ratio of 84.2% and 2 foreign wars.

In fact Reagan, GHW Bush and GW Bush are the major contributing to the federal debt/GDP ratio which reached its lowest point since WW2 of 32.5%, at the end of the Carter Adminstration.

When all is said and done, what is Mitt Romney, the governor and businessman bringing to the table that George Bush, the governor and businessman hasn't already tried?
 
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You mean the war that was so bad Obama promised to end it the moment he became president?

Who not only didn't end the war but chose to go by Bush withdrawl plan after the Iraq government refused to allow him to leave 10k soldiers in the country.

Murdering Pakistanis, murdering Americans, ignoring the war powers act, (which atleast bush had a vote on the iraq war, Obama acted as a dictator and did what he wanted to do) the horrible NDAA which would have seen american citizens being detains without due process... all that's TOTALLY OK.... but Darn that Bush!

As for murdering pakistanis.. here's the face of Obama's drone policy in Pakistan.



She's in houston currently getting care, I'm sure if you call you could tell her how a undeclared war against her people isn't nearly as bad as the Iraq war.

At what point are people going to realize that a vote for Obama is a vote for Bush's policies?
 
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And lets not forget Gitmo is still open and operating.

The rendition program is still active, we are still sending people to other countries to be tortured.

I'm not asking you to vote for Romney, I sure as heck wont be, I'm asking you to vote your conscience.
 
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This is one of the reasons I'm able to take you seriously, Touma. You actually stand by your principles. As I said in my own thread, Obama's policies are worse than Bush's in many ways, and I cannot fathom bashing Bush but praising Obama for the same actions. People are strange, eh?
 
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Horrible. I feel so sorry for that child. And to think Obama got on TV an bragged that he was the one deciding who to kill with each Drone attack.
 
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abdAlSalam said:
If Barack Obama had an R next to his name, all "Progressives" would hate him and all "conservatives" would love him.

The worst part is you are 100% correct...and this would of course work the same way in reverse...smh
 
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