Why I don't do Christmas

[solarwave]

solarwave: It matters for several reasons, two of which would be the following:

1. God instructs His people not to learn the practices of the heathen.

So if heathens invented a great new technology which did great goods and had nothing to do with pagan gods you would say it was wrong to use it too?

2. Over the last 20+ years, I've personally encountered numerous non-believers who argue that Christianity is just another cult. One of the pillars of their argument is the paganism that is disguised as "Christianity" in many places...so called "holidays/holy days" being but one such place.

It doesn't mean they are right does it. You arn't rejecting it simply because non-christians reject it are you?

Now, you might not care about honoring God or dealing honestly with non-believers, but I do. To each his own, I guess.

Yeah, I'm just an evil person like that.

Either that or I realise Christmas has nothing to do with paganism now. Yeah it my have symbols from it (I have no idea if it does) but the symbols no longer mean what they once did so their meaning has changed. If you founded out the symbol of the cross was used by some dead religion before Christianity would you reject it?

1. Exodus Ch. 32.
2. 1 Kings 11
3. 2 Chronicles 11:13-23
4. The Book of Jeremiah
5. Revelation Ch. 2 and 3

All those seem to be talking about pagan things, not things which have pretty much nothing to do with paganism.

Taking pagan rituals and cleaning them up and calling them christian does not work in alleviating confusion amongst the general population. The general population doesn't want to hear about denying self, they want to fulfill self.

Does the general public care or even know about the pagan past?

Also arn't non-christians more likely to go to church on Christmas?

Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

I do believe Christ did that for me.

 

[Chesterton]

I like you too, but I"m sticking with my belief that christmas trees are pagan, disgusting, and filthy things and I believe that the Bible is clear on not touching these pagan things.

Y'know, some Roman pagans had indoor plumbing. So I'm sure you use an outhouse?

 

[Cain Spencer]

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[katherine2001]

Not to mention money. How do all of you pay for your housing, your food, and the things that you have without using pagan money? How do you pay your offering at church without the use of pagan money?

 

[katherine2001]

I always thought the "War On Christmas" was supposed to come from the "anti-Christain" world.

! I agree totally.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not to mention money. How do all of you pay for your housing, your food, and the things that you have without using pagan money? How do you pay your offering at church without the use of pagan money?

Can a pagan church be rich also

Reve 2:9 I have seen of thee the works and the tribulation and the poverty, but rich thou-are.
And the blasphemy out of the ones saying Judeans to be of-selves, and not they-are, but a synagogue of the Satan.

 

[psalms 91]

It is not even when Jesus was born

 

[Lisa*Lisa]

Not to mention money. How do all of you pay for your housing, your food, and the things that you have without using pagan money? How do you pay your offering at church without the use of pagan money?

You're not understanding the difference here. Taking a pagan ritual (traditional pagan holiday) to their pagan gods, and slapping a christian name on it, and incorporating that same ancient pagan traditions with your own christian religion and calling it a "Holy Day" is a detestable thing as far as I'm concerned.

It also speaks about this in the Bible. But, if you want to do it, go right ahead. Nobody is stopping you.

It's always amazing to me that when you bring this subject up among christians, the claws and fangs come out and they will do just about anything to defend this "holy day" because of their love of the pagan traditions.

It amazes me every year, same thing........just a year later.

There are things in our lives that stem from pagans, but to call a pagan ritual a christian "holy day" while keeping the ancient pagan traditions is just outrageous. There is nothing HOLY about it.

 

[psalms 91]

You're not understanding the difference here. Taking a pagan ritual (traditional pagan holiday) to their pagan gods, and slapping a christian name on it, and incorporating that same ancient pagan traditions with your own christian religion and calling it a "Holy Day" is a detestable thing as far as I'm concerned.

It also speaks about this in the Bible. But, if you want to do it, go right ahead. Nobody is stopping you.

It's always amazing to me that when you bring this subject up among christians, the claws and fangs come out and they will do just about anything to defend this "holy day" because of their love of the pagan traditions.

It amazes me every year, same thing........just a year later.

So true but I say to each their own but once enlightened then what?

 

[Lisa*Lisa]

So true but I say to each their own but once enlightened then what?

Then you make your choice to either go along with the world, or you take your stand and just refuse to participate.

I don't participate in thanksgiving, halloween, easter, christmas, or birthdays because they all have pagan origin.

I catch some flack from some family members because of it, but not much after I explained why in detail.

Any mature christian will respect your stand, and possibly some might even agree if they took the time to do some research and thought about it for a while.

 

[Pythons]

! I agree totally.

From what I've been able to see the attack on Christmas is usually conducted by theological Adventists...
...Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, WWCOG ( Armstrongism ) and some fring SDA's.

These groups without exception share together in some other teachings...
...Which appear to be at odds with historic Christianity, such as;

• Christ existed previous to the Incarnation as Michael the archangel.
• That at death the soul is as if it had never been until the Resurrection.
• That God annihilates the wicked so that they become as if they had never been.
• That Christ could have sinned & if He had that God would have annihilated Him so that Christ would have ceased to exist permanently.

The Council clearly states that the Son was ( and is ) not subject to alteration or change, i.e. could NOT mutate from God to the state of an eaten pizza. The Creed is simply systematized Scripture.

Therefore, I belive it's important to establish exactly WHAT is the drivnig force behind the attack on Christmas....
...And question if it comes from a theological Adventist or not.

 

[pgp_protector]

Romans 14:1-10

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

 

[Lisa*Lisa]

From what I've been able to see the attack on Christmas is usually conducted by theological Adventists...
...Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, WWCOG ( Armstrongism ) and some fring SDA's.

These groups without exception share together in some other teachings...
...Which appear to be at odds with historic Christianity, such as;

• Christ existed previous to the Incarnation as Michael the archangel.
• That at death the soul is as if it had never been until the Resurrection.
• That God annihilates the wicked so that they become as if they had never been.
• That Christ could have sinned & if He had that God would have annihilated Him so that Christ would have ceased to exist permanently.

The Council clearly states that the Son was ( and is ) not subject to alteration or change, i.e. could NOT mutate from God to the state of an eaten pizza. The Creed is simply systematized Scripture.

Therefore, I belive it's important to establish exactly WHAT is the drivnig force behind the attack on Christmas....
...And question if it comes from a theological Adventist or not.

I don't belong to any of the above mentioned groups, I'm a non-denominational Born Again Christian.

And what you're calling an "attack on christmas" is telling people that it's really an ancient pagan holy day with a Jesus label slapped on it.

Since when is sharing facts an attack??????????? LOL!

Next I'll guess you'll say that the 3 wise men were really santa's little elves in disguise and the baby Jesus rode in on a sleigh driven by reindeer.

 

[Lisa*Lisa]

Romans 14:1-10

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time reading scripture while looking at your avatar. It really gives me the creeps. Is that thing a demon or something? Looks like something that climbed straight out of hell.

 

[Pythons]

I don't belong to any of the above mentioned groups, I'm a non-denominational Born Again Christian.

And what you're calling an "attack on christmas" is telling people that it's really an ancient pagan holy day with a Jesus label slapped on it.

Since when is sharing facts an attack??????????? LOL!

Next I'll guess you'll say that the 3 wise men were really santa's little elves in disguise and the baby Jesus rode in on a sleigh driven by reindeer.

Humor me then lisa. Do you believe that at the death of the body the soul or spirit knows nothing?
...Or that Christ could have lost His Salvation and been annihilated by God if He did?

Perhaps you do not believe in the above points - I just said that in most cases the people who promulgate Christmas is pagan are theological adventists.

In another thread the question was asked if Michael the archangel was Jesus...
...Your reply in that thread is below.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7499993-4/#post55739878[/url]]
Ok, well I think I can sum this up nicely for everybody. NOBODY REALLY KNOWS FOR SURE.

So, I guess that's the end of that........lol

And, in the OP of the thread you initiated....
http://www.christianforums.com/t7499993/#post55724544

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Is Michael the Archangel Jesus or not?
I was taught that Jesus is Michael. True or false? Back it up with scripture please. I really want to know if this is correct or not.

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Is Michael the Archangel Jesus or not?
I was taught that Jesus is Michael. True or false? Back it up with scripture please. I really want to know if this is correct or not.

My question is WHO taught you that & did the system WHO taught you that ALSO teach that Christmas was pagan?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

Next I'll guess you'll say that the 3 wise men were really santa's little elves in disguise and the baby Jesus rode in on a sleigh driven by reindeer.

Tis a lot more dangerous for my bro Santa to get around nowadays

 

[Eph4:26]

So if heathens invented a great new technology which did great goods and had nothing to do with pagan gods you would say it was wrong to use it too?

Statement like this has to be the most overused argues for doing Christmas.

Solarwave . . you are making a false equivalency.

Unlike Christmas, any (fill in the blank with your pet pagan invention) has not been incorporated into the church and been christianize as a righteous holiday.

 

[pgp_protector]

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time reading scripture while looking at your avatar. It really gives me the creeps. Is that thing a demon or something? Looks like something that climbed straight out of hell.

Sounds like a personal problem then. Convent though I guess.

 

[psalms 91]

I don't belong to any of the above mentioned groups, I'm a non-denominational Born Again Christian.

And what you're calling an "attack on christmas" is telling people that it's really an ancient pagan holy day with a Jesus label slapped on it.

Since when is sharing facts an attack??????????? LOL!

Next I'll guess you'll say that the 3 wise men were really santa's little elves in disguise and the baby Jesus rode in on a sleigh driven by reindeer.

Exactly! I am a non denom penticostal believer

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't belong to any of the above mentioned groups, I'm a non-denominational Born Again Christian.

Exactly! I am a non denom penticostal believer

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