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No sir, you were not born evangelical. You were presumaly born in an evangelical family and raised that way, but you were not born evangelical.
No sir. He didn't make you. Some may claim that, the ones wxho claim there is a god. But as there is no god, he didn't make you.
I have not seen any way to fix the conundrum. That's one big reason why I became an atheist (I was born and raised evangelical).
It seems to me that you believe that since the implications are frightening, they must not be consistent with the God you believe in. But you can't just "believe away" the implications of what the Bible claims and keep it in tact.
in order to proceed with this question i must ask one of you in return. When god created the universe and man did he know at that moment who would go to heaven and who would go to hell?You have not demonstrated how there is only one possible outcome. You simply claimed that God knows the outcome. How does knowing the outcome mean that there is only one possible outcome?
are you suggesting a multiple effects to a single cause? Please clarify. Are you talking about parallel worlds? Or are you simply saying god understand the probability of all possible outcomes.You would expect an omniscient God to know all possible outcomes. Does this mean all possible outcomes are determined?
Good question!
Let's say God didn't know the outcome -- would that change anything?
explain in more detail. use examplesIf God didn't know the outcome there would still be one outcome.
In actual fact it seems you have the conundrum, not I. It is not diffucult for me or confusing. I have a peace in what I believe and perceive my God to be who is obviously a different god than the one you perceive. If you were rasied evangelical and are now athiest I can only assume you were never born of His Spirit. Because then you would know, you would not be the same. I was raised an athiest really. Never really witnessed to or told about God. Sure I had some thoughts, but they were fleeting and meaningless and did not amount to anything. But when I was 25 years old, right in the prime of my life (50 now) I had an encounter with my Creator. And now 25 years later had I not had continuos encounters with my God I would have given up along time ago, as you did. There are many questions I dont have answers for, but how can I reason away God after all He has shown and done for me. Near impossible I would say. I have made "my choice" and purposed in my heart to serve my Creator by submitting to the leading of His Spirit the best I can for the rest of my days here on earth. Really, the only fear I have is the thought of what my life would be like had I not surrendered it to God. The truth shall set you free. Who the Son has set free is free indeed. I thank my God daily and give the glory to Him for the life He has bestowed upon me. I would not exchange it for anything.
It's a simple YES or NO question, MoonLancer -- it's not an essay question.If God did not know the actual outcome that would manifest in the future, it would simply be unknown if free will exists or if its possible to choose from A or B and have that outcome manifest without restriction.
However God knowing these outcomes before they occur demonstrates that fate exists and and all outcomes are predestined.
Okay, I'll try.explain in more detail. use examples
In actual fact it seems you have the conundrum, not I. It is not diffucult for me or confusing. I have a peace in what I believe and perceive my God to be who is obviously a different god than the one you perceive. If you were rasied evangelical and are now athiest I can only assume you were never born of His Spirit. Because then you would know, you would not be the same. I was raised an athiest really. Never really witnessed to or told about God. Sure I had some thoughts, but they were fleeting and meaningless and did not amount to anything...blah blah blah
Okay, I'll try.
I go up to a pop machine and insert a dollar bill.
Now, I can choose a COKE or a MT DEW.
1. If God knows I'm going to pick a COKE, do I have a choice?
2. If God doesn't know what I'm going to pick, do I have a choice?
What if I know what I'm going to pick? then what?If God knows you pick a Coke, you can only pick a Coke.
What if I know what I'm going to pick? then what?
Then, assuming you can find it, please link to where someone answered that question with a YES or NO.AV:
I don't think you're even bothering to read the answers before posting.
Yes, I can.You can't be this stupid...
No -- wrong post.1. If God knows I'm going to pick a COKE, do I have a choice?
No.
2. If God doesn't know what I'm going to pick, do I have a choice?
Yes.
Happy now?
Then, assuming you can find it, please link to where someone answered that question with a YES or NO.
(This is why I can't stand verbosity.)
Try this one, Brainiac: 672 .
Oh, wow.Because not everything in life can be oversimplified to a yes/no question? I'm sure it's awfully convenient for you to try to, but there is no justification that such a simplfication reflects reality.
Is that a YES or a NO?AV:
I thought that question was a joke. Do you really need to ask it after rockaction's last post?
That's why said I thought you'd stopped reading people's answers. Blimey.
Look, if god already knows what you're going to do it doesn't matter what is going on in your head, you'll do what god knows you're going to do. End of story.
It's a no. Even if you imagine that you do.Is that a YES or a NO?
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