why I believe in the Eucharist

[MoNiCa4316]

hey brothers and sisters..I want to share something with you that means a lot to me. I used to not really believe in the real presence in Communion, but now I totally believe in it. And one of the reasons is that I truly experience God in the Eucharist. And soo many others do as well it is not just some boring ritual, like I used to think, but a way to meet the Lord Jesus. It gives me a lot of joy and I wish I could share it with you .. I know you all love the Lord too and have a relationship with Him! I just want to share one way that I approach Him in this relationship, along with praise and worship, prayer, and reading the Bible it is a free gift that God wants to give us!

In the Catholic church, there is something called Eucharistic Adoration. And what they do is they put the Communion host into this holder called the monstrance, and people come and worship Him. It is not an idol, it's the real, risen Jesus.

I want to share these videos with you all

God bless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsS6Yv7l5_I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ4tEFPuhYI&feature=related

 

[Montalban]

Why I believe in the Eucharist. Jesus said his flesh is real food and his blood real drink.

When asked about this he confirmed it, showing he was not speaking metaphorically.

 

[NoDoubt]

May I suggest that you read THIS and reall all of it.

Very thoroughly and with an open, receptive mind and heart.

Thank you and God Bless!

 

[Giver]

I believe the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Jesus because the Holy Spirit told me it was true. The Word of God confirms that to be true.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

May I suggest that you read THIS and reall all of it.

Very thoroughly and with an open, receptive mind and heart.

Thank you and God Bless!

Oki, I read it.. here is what I think.

I don't know if you are aware of this, but did you know that non believers make the same arguments against Christianity in general? For example, a while ago I saw this documentary on tv, about how the whole story of Christ is so 'similar' to 'pagan religions' especially Egyptian mythology?

What would you say to that?

So why the double standard?

Christian apologists have come up with several good explanations for this btw! About how these other religions are the devil's attempt to 'copy' the truth, or that they are sort of like 'prophesies' to prepare the world for the real thing, etc.

In this particular case....the 'sun' imagery is not particular to pagan religions. It was chosen here merely for symbolic value. Jesus is the light of the world, the bright morning star, etc. The sun is the brightest object that we can see, so it makes sense.

As for the rest of it, I'll just say....you know those people who see conspiracy theories in everything? I'm not saying you're one of them, but the author of the article might be. The thing is..if you seek something, you'll eventually find it - even if it's not there.

Also..frankly I find it ridiculous that they used Exo 20:4 as one of their arguments...that's very weak. Everyone knows that Catholics are not worshipping the monstrance LOLL. Or were they perhaps talking about the Eucharist itself? In that case... They might as well take the next logical step and deny the Incarnation, and become Gnostics!!

Lastly, I'd just like to say that God knows people's hearts, and He knows that Catholics are not worshipping the sun or the monstrance, but Him in the Eucharist! It's silly how they said "A Catholic cannot walk past this sun symbol without acknowledging it by kneeling and or making the sign of the cross with their hands." it's not the monstrance they are kneeling to!! Then they admit this...but then make the (rather cheap) excuse that the host is ALSO a sun symbol because of some artwork.. well if Catholics have portrayed the host as the sun, why does that have to imply sun worship??? Why can't that simply be symbolic of Christ being the light of the world, etc?
Maybe we should all start believing that the sun represents darkness, just to be safe, and use another symbol for light. LOL.

Then in the end they say how...oh no Catholics worship the Eucharist, not God! lol..yea because..we believe that it's Christ's Body and Blood, duh =)

I believe in the Eucharist for several reasons.

One, it's taken right out of the Bible. The Catholics and the Orthodox take the passages literally...Protestants take them symbolically, but I don't know why. I think it's much easier to believe that Jesus meant it literally, like mostly everything else He said. "for my flesh is real food, and my blood is real drink".. and when people were shocked at this teaching and left, He didn't stop them saying "no wait guys I meant it as a metaphor!!" He let them leave. Why? And why does Paul say that by taking Communion unworthily, we are sinning against the very Body and Blood of the Lord?

Sola Scriptura alone supports the Eucharist.

But there's more

Every single church father I came across who said anything about the topic, interpreted Communion as being literal. Even Justin Martyr, who lived around 150 AD. We can safely assume that what the entire church believed in 150 AD is probably what the Apostles taught.

And finally, I have my own experience... One day, I felt God telling me that the Eucharist is real..and I know it wasn't just in my head, because it was a very deep, lasting conviction I got..and it didn't fade..and I really, really didn't want to accept it. In fact I cried when He first told me this LOL and resisted Him for a couple of weeks. Well I can't really deny that experience.. and when I began to take the Eucharist, I grew a lot closer to the Lord, and it is changing me for the better. The Bible says that you'll know everything by its fruits, and the fruits have been good.

so that's my reply to the article

God bless!

monica

 

[NoDoubt]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes the assumption that the man-made bread of the Eucharist has become Divine. Correct me if I’m mistaken but I believe this was decreed by Pope Innocent III in 1215 AD and in 1220 AD Pope Honorius sanctioned the adoration and worship of this wafer as official doctrine. This being the case, the Catholic Church teaches that the Eucharist is worthy of the same respect and adoration due God.

I know that God's word takes precedence over man-made traditions and added words and for this I'm so grateful.

Catechism
Para 1378 Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. "The Catholic Church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration, not only during Mass, but also outside of it, reserving the consecrated hosts with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession.

Bible
Deuteronomy 4:13, 15-16 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even Ten Commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake...Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure…

Catechism
Para 1380 …The Church and the world have a great need for Eucharistic worship…

Bible
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Catechism
Para 1379 …the Church became conscious of the meaning of silent adoration of the Lord present under the Eucharistic species. It is for this reason that the tabernacle should be located in an especially worthy place in the church and should be constructed in such a way that it emphasizes and manifests the truth of the real presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.

Bible
John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Scripture clearly identifies that God is Holy and He alone is worthy of our worship. "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee…" Revelation 15:4

The Catechism’s physically literal interpretation of Scripture leads to idolatry. According to the Bible, we must not give worship to any false god or idol, meaning anything man-made (as an image) to represent God.. It’s a big mistake that’s being made at every Mass.

The true worship of God ought to be in spirit and truth, as the Lord proclaimed, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." This worship brings true peace and true Christian living. Worship of the Eucharist brings about the wrath of God as promised in His Word.

We remember the simple Word of the Lord in Mark 13:21, "if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not." To command worship of the Eucharist is idolatry and idolatry is spiritual adultery. Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry 1Co 10:14.

It’s a magic ritual being performed. Someone reciting some incantation. Hocus-pocus!

 

[NoDoubt]

Why I believe in the Eucharist. Jesus said his flesh is real food and his blood real drink.

When asked about this he confirmed it, showing he was not speaking metaphorically.

He said "do this in remembrance of me"

He also said elsewhere that He was a door, a tree, a vine, a rock, a lamb, a star etc... You get the point

 

[MoNiCa4316]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes the assumption that the man-made bread of the Eucharist has become Divine.

umm..I'm not sure if that's the way to put it.. the bread is man-made, but it is changed into the Body of Christ, which is not man-made. It is not that the bread that becomes Divine, it is more like it is changed in essence to something else, while remaining as bread to our senses. (Catholics, please correct me if I got this wrong!)

Correct me if I’m mistaken but I believe this was decreed by Pope Innocent III in 1215 AD and in 1220 AD Pope Honorius sanctioned the adoration and worship of this wafer as official doctrine. This being the case, the Catholic Church teaches that the Eucharist is worthy of the same respect and adoration due God.

Keep in mind that official doctrines are declared usually when there is opposition. So this might have existed long before these Popes, but there was simply no need to make it official teaching.
From the time of the early church, Christians believed in the real presence (even the Reformers! it wasn't until Zwingli came along..) If Jesus is really present in the Eucharist, then it's only logical that we could worship Him this way. Well that's how it seems to me at least
If someone treats the Eucharist with little respect..they are not respecting the Body and Blood of our Lord, and since His Divine and Human nature does not exist separately, they are essentially disrespecting God Himself.

I know that God's word takes precedence over man-made traditions and added words and for this I'm so grateful.

Yes the Bible is the word of God, but remember that the Bible itself mentions staying true to teachings that were passed on either by word or letter. This implies that there are teachings that were never written down, but are still correct, and have existed in the Church from the beginning.. and I think it's in John that it says that Jesus said many more things to the disciples that were not written down. And, He said that the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth. The Bible does not support sola scriptura. Yes we should make sure that everything we do is not against the Bible! But it does not interpret itself...if it did, there wouldn't be soo many Protestant denominations that all disagree with each other.

And not all traditions are man-made..

Catechism
Para 1378 Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. "The Catholic Church has always offered and still offers to the sacrament of the Eucharist the cult of adoration, not only during Mass, but also outside of it, reserving the consecrated hosts with the utmost care, exposing them to the solemn veneration of the faithful, and carrying them in procession.

Bible
Deuteronomy 4:13, 15-16 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even Ten Commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake...Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure…

NoDoubt, I find this reasoning flawed.. if the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Christ...then how is it a graven image??? If you saw Jesus before you right now..and you worshipped Him..how would that be any different? If the Eucharist is anything other than our Lord then of course worshipping it is wrong!! But what if it is though? You're basing your whole argument on the assumption that the Eucharist is just bread and wine...

Catechism
Para 1380 …The Church and the world have a great need for Eucharistic worship…

Bible
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Again..how is worshipping God giving glory to another?? Remember Catholics believe that the Eucharist IS Jesus!! It's His Body and Blood!

Catechism
Para 1379 …the Church became conscious of the meaning of silent adoration of the Lord present under the Eucharistic species. It is for this reason that the tabernacle should be located in an especially worthy place in the church and should be constructed in such a way that it emphasizes and manifests the truth of the real presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.

Bible
John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I always see people bringing up John 4:23-24. But here, Jesus was talking about something else. It was believed back then that God was only present in the temple..and Jesus is talking here about the Holy Spirit, how we wouldn't need the temple anymore because God would live in us. But I don't see how this goes against the Eucharist! We do worship Him in spirit and in truth, because of the Holy Spirit! We believe that He lives within us..and we are His temple.. but this doesn't mean that Jesus didn't mean it when He said "this is My Body..this is My Blood".. I find this is very selective Bible reading.

The Scripture clearly identifies that God is Holy and He alone is worthy of our worship. "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee…" Revelation 15:4

The Catechism’s physically literal interpretation of Scripture leads to idolatry. According to the Bible, we must not give worship to any false god or idol, meaning anything man-made (as an image) to represent God.. It’s a big mistake that’s being made at every Mass.

Again, worshipping God is not idolatry. You are assuming from the beginning that Communion is symbolic. This is a lot like circular reasoning..

The true worship of God ought to be in spirit and truth, as the Lord proclaimed, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." This worship brings true peace and true Christian living. Worship of the Eucharist brings about the wrath of God as promised in His Word.

wow then I wonder how it ever brought me, and many others, closer to God! That can't be the work of the devil..because a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. The devil does not bring people to God and help them love and obey Him more, etc!!

We remember the simple Word of the Lord in Mark 13:21, "if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not." To command worship of the Eucharist is idolatry and idolatry is spiritual adultery. Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry 1Co 10:14.

wow you took that really out of context!! Mark 13:21 is talking about the second coming!

It’s a magic ritual being performed. Someone reciting some incantation. Hocus-pocus!

I'm sad that you think so.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

He said "do this in remembrance of me"

I don't get how this implies anything symbolic.

He also said elsewhere that He was a door, a tree, a vine, a rock, a lamb, a star etc... You get the point

But in those cases it's clearly a symbol..because we know that He's not a door, or a tree, but a Person.

However, about the Eucharist He said: "my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink"

And notice that when He said that He's a door, His disciples didn't leave in horror. But when He said that we are to eat His Body and drink His Blood, they did. They didn't take it to be a metaphor..and He didn't even stop them leaving.

I have a question for all the symbolic Communion people...do you guys believe that the whole Christian church was wrong until Zwingli came along? Why would God allow such a false, heretical, dangerous teaching..which leads to idolatry..exist in the Church for soo long? Where is the Holy Spirit?

 

[Cirke]

Quote:

It’s a magic ritual being performed. Someone reciting some incantation. Hocus-pocus!
if you think it is hocus-pocus then you are saying that theEarly christians who had the Eucarist since the beginning they were practicing hocus pocus too.

it is both biblical and according to historical evidence that the Eucarist existed as a ritual of the first Christians.Actually they di d call it Eucarist and Liturgy. It is in the Acts by the verb "liturgao"... why would the aplostles use that work if that was not what they practiced?

The words of institution was a command and it is doing the Eucarist in his rememberance that does not mean though to negate what followed ,in the same Gospel,"Drink this for it is my blood" and "eat this for it is my body for the remission of sins." That was His command to do not ours and we do commune his blood and His body nothing adding or taking away from his command to us.

Now in the EO one clarification we do not worship the sacrament that is we only "commune" the eucarist as its purpose is to keep in tune with the commandment of Christ. We only use the reserved sacrament for the sick. All other 'body and blood" have to be consumed by the priest. He specifically wanted us to commune his body and blood not to "worship it" if that was the case then I am sure it would have been specified for us to do so....

We do not have "adoration" services outside of the Eucarist as it is not necessary as Christ is invisible among us. Also we commune with Him every time we attend Divine Liturgy.

 

[namericanboy]

Wow Monica..I see your really changing in your beliefs...I sure hope you don't start seeing us as separated and not able to have God's fullness because we don't belong to your church...You shared I think that you were baptized as a baby but only truly found Christ as a teen and then had a believers baptism..Do you still feel the same or are you becoming more Catholic in your beliefs...peace to you... nab

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Wow Monica..I see your really changing in your beliefs...

yea I'm surprised too!! lol!

I sure hope you don't start seeing us as separated and not able to have God's fullness because we don't belong to your church...

The way I see it, since all the different denominations disagree with one another, some, or one of them must be closer to the truth than the others. Right now I believe that is the Catholic church, because that's how I feel led to believe. BUT..I don't see others as 'lesser Christians'. There are many Protestants who are better Christians than I am, and are closer to God than me.

You shared I think that you were baptized as a baby but only truly found Christ as a teen and then had a believers baptism..

all true except the part about baptism. I was baptized in the Orthodox church when I was around 12...then became an agnostic...then became a Protestant when I came to college..but I was never baptized again.

Do you still feel the same or are you becoming more Catholic in your beliefs...peace to you... nab

I think in many ways I am already a Catholic.

God bless

monica

 

[HisKid1973]

We'll this is one thing I know about Monica wherever she decides to settle, is that she is born anew and desires to walk in the Spirit...There are many among us all that just go through the religious motions and do not truely know Christ.. She will be a light to those she is around..

 

[Dispy]

I believe the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Jesus because the Holy Spirit told me it was true. The Word of God confirms that to be true.

The following is taken from the March Issue of the Berean Searchlight, and can be found on page 20 of http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/search/03.2008/searchlight.pdf. It was written by Pastor Kurth.
“What did the Lord mean when He said we have to eat His flesh to be saved?”

“Whoso eath My flesh, and drinketh My blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:54).

Catholicism takes this literally, and believes the communion bread and cup become the body and blood of Christ. But we know the Lord did not mean this literally, for the drinking of blood is forbidden (Lev. 17:12), and the eating of human flesh is always associated with the judgment of God (Lev. 26:28,29). The Lord was employing a figure of speech. He had just finished saying:

“And this is the will of Him that sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day” (v. 40).

Notice how the phrase “and I will raise Him up at the last day” ties Verse 40 to Verse 54. If Verse 40 says that believing on the Lord gives everlasting life, and Verse 54 says that eating the Lord’s flesh and drinking His blood give eternal life, then eating and drinking the Lord is a figure of speech that symbolizes believing on Him. And it is a good symbol. We sometimes say “He swallowed the whole story” when we mean someone believed the story completely. This illustrates how we must believe on Christ [i/completely.[/i]

The Lord’s Supper is only a memorial of the Lord’s sacrifice for us (I Cor. 11:24b, 25b). If African-Americans held a memorial to honor the day Lincoln freed the slaves, none of them would believe that the memorial saved them from slavery.

Likewise it is the sacrifice of Christ that saves us, not the figure.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I believe the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Jesus because the Holy Spirit told me it was true. The Word of God confirms that to be true.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

The following is taken from the March Issue of the Berean Searchlight, and can be found on page 20 of http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/search/03.2008/searchlight.pdf. It was written by Pastor Kurth.
“What did the Lord mean when He said we have to eat His flesh to be saved?”

“Whoso eath My flesh, and drinketh My blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:54).

Catholicism takes this literally, and believes the communion bread and cup become the body and blood of Christ. But we know the Lord did not mean this literally, for the drinking of blood is forbidden (Lev. 17:12), and the eating of human flesh is always associated with the judgment of God (Lev. 26:28,29). The Lord was employing a figure of speech. He had just finished saying:

“And this is the will of Him that sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day” (v. 40).

Notice how the phrase “and I will raise Him up at the last day” ties Verse 40 to Verse 54. If Verse 40 says that believing on the Lord gives everlasting life, and Verse 54 says that eating the Lord’s flesh and drinking His blood give eternal life, then eating and drinking the Lord is a figure of speech that symbolizes believing on Him. And it is a good symbol. We sometimes say “He swallowed the whole story” when we mean someone believed the story completely. This illustrates how we must believe on Christ [i/completely.[/i]

The Lord’s Supper is only a memorial of the Lord’s sacrifice for us (I Cor. 11:24b, 25b). If African-Americans held a memorial to honor the day Lincoln freed the slaves, none of them would believe that the memorial saved them from slavery.

Likewise it is the sacrifice of Christ that saves us, not the figure.

The Eucharist is a great gift from God to us.. I know it's true whatever the theologians and pastors say it changes people!

If it's just a symbol, I don't see the point of having Communion at all! Why do we need to eat anything to "remember" Christ's sacrifice? Why can't we just sit there and remember? Why the Lord's Supper?

 

[MoNiCa4316]

We'll this is one thing I know about Monica wherever she decides to settle, is that she is born anew and desires to walk in the Spirit...There are many among us all that just go through the religious motions and do not truely know Christ.. She will be a light to those she is around..

Thank you brother God bless you!

 

[NoDoubt]

The following is taken from the March Issue of the Berean Searchlight, and can be found on page 20 of http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/search/03.2008/searchlight.pdf. It was written by Pastor Kurth.
“What did the Lord mean when He said we have to eat His flesh to be saved?”

“Whoso eath My flesh, and drinketh My blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:54).

Catholicism takes this literally, and believes the communion bread and cup become the body and blood of Christ. But we know the Lord did not mean this literally, for the drinking of blood is forbidden (Lev. 17:12), and the eating of human flesh is always associated with the judgment of God (Lev. 26:28,29). The Lord was employing a figure of speech. He had just finished saying:

“And this is the will of Him that sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day” (v. 40).

Notice how the phrase “and I will raise Him up at the last day” ties Verse 40 to Verse 54. If Verse 40 says that believing on the Lord gives everlasting life, and Verse 54 says that eating the Lord’s flesh and drinking His blood give eternal life, then eating and drinking the Lord is a figure of speech that symbolizes believing on Him. And it is a good symbol. We sometimes say “He swallowed the whole story” when we mean someone believed the story completely. This illustrates how we must believe on Christ [i/completely.[/i]

The Lord’s Supper is only a memorial of the Lord’s sacrifice for us (I Cor. 11:24b, 25b). If African-Americans held a memorial to honor the day Lincoln freed the slaves, none of them would believe that the memorial saved them from slavery.

Likewise it is the sacrifice of Christ that saves us, not the figure.

Exactly!!!

 

[tadoflamb]

May I suggest that you read xxxx and reall all of it.

Very thoroughly and with an open, receptive mind and heart.

That website is notoriously anti-Catholic.

 

[WarriorAngel]

The Eucharist IS Christ's Body and Blood.
If anyone doubts this, let them look at the history of the early Christians.
Starting with St Justin Martyr who vehemently denied access to anyone who did not share this belief.

Monica, yes it fully becomes the Body and Blood and for the human senses it remains as tho it were bread and wine so we can easily partake of it, but it is no longer bread and wine.

Poeple have always wondered how this miracle could happen..so the Church named it transubstantiation.
They called it this as the effect of visibly appearing as tho bread and wine...accident.

(transubstantiation)

noun: the Roman Catholic doctrine that the whole substance of the bread and the wine changes into the substance of the body and blood of Christ when consecrated in the Eucharist
noun: an act that changes the form or character or substance of something

The denial of the Eucharist is a modern concept and was unheard of in the early Church.
In fact, those who tried to imitate the Eucharist, altho not having faith in the Church nor ordained hands were the ones whom St Justin was chastising.

Justin Martyr [SAINT] 100 AD - 165 AD
- First Apology

And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, "This do in remembrance of Me, Luke 22:19 this is My body;" and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, "This is My blood;" and gave it to them alone. Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn.