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Why I believe in a young earth.

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For all of creation was purposed for me by a Creator God who loves me so much that He sent His one and only Son to die in my place, that I might have his righteousness and share with him, his place in eternity.

God bless you all and may you each have a very, very joyful Christ mas.
In Christ, Ted
 

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All of creation was purposed for the Son's enjoyment and pleasure, not for me; and my Creator God did not just love me so much, but the world so much, that He sent His only begotten Son, that whosoever should believe in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

But I also believe that God made a good and beautiful creation, which He endowed with its very own natural principles, reflective of the perfect wisdom of God; and as humanity has studied those natural principles, the vast majority of physical evidence seems to point to life and the universe being much older than a few thousand years old.

God bless you too, and may you and I come to know more about how deep and wide and vast God's love is.
 
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For all of creation was purposed for me by a Creator God who loves me so much that He sent His one and only Son to die in my place, that I might have his righteousness and share with him, his place in eternity.


Amen.

What does this have to do with the age of the earth?

God bless you all and may you each have a very, very joyful Christ mas.
In Christ, Ted

Same to you.
 
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Hi guys,

Well, many are asking why I introduced this vid as 'proof' of the age of the earth.

Ok, let me answer that. When I came to understand that my Savior died for me, it was proof positive to me that all that God had created was for a purpose. It was also proof positive to me of the awesome power and glory of my God. When I understood the purpose of the Scriptures and the purpose of His Son, then I knew without a doubt that there is no such thing as evolution. God created, in what is basically a moment, all the perfection that is this realm. He spoke, just as the Scriptures declare, out of nothing, a zillion stars in an instant. That's the power and glory of the God I serve. His Son proved that to me.

God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Ok, let me answer that. When I came to understand that my Savior died for me, it was proof positive to me that all that God had created was for a purpose. It was also proof positive to me of the awesome power and glory of my God. When I understood the purpose of the Scriptures and the purpose of His Son, then I knew without a doubt that there is no such thing as evolution. God created, in what is basically a moment, all the perfection that is this realm. He spoke, just as the Scriptures declare, out of nothing, a zillion stars in an instant. That's the power and glory of the God I serve. His Son proved that to me.
Thanks for the answer, miamited. I'm still a little confused, though. You seem to be equating purpose with de novo creation. How does that follow? For example, I consider you to have been created for a purpose, but you weren't miraculously created in an instant. You developed gradually, naturally, over a period of 9 months. To me, purpose doesn't derive from how long it takes for something to come about.
 
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Hi guys,

Well, many are asking why I introduced this vid as 'proof' of the age of the earth.

Ok, let me answer that. When I came to understand that my Savior died for me, it was proof positive to me that all that God had created was for a purpose. It was also proof positive to me of the awesome power and glory of my God. When I understood the purpose of the Scriptures and the purpose of His Son, then I knew without a doubt that there is no such thing as evolution. God created, in what is basically a moment, all the perfection that is this realm. He spoke, just as the Scriptures declare, out of nothing, a zillion stars in an instant. That's the power and glory of the God I serve. His Son proved that to me.

God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted
So how do you account for extinction level events? It is undeniable that a huge asteroid hit the Earth, given the 112 mile wide crater in southern Mexico and the massive increase in the iridium contents of the soil from that time period all around the globe. Such an impact would have no-doubt sent tons and tons of dust and debris into the atmosphere, blocking out the sun and making the planet uninhabitable for most complex life, and most certainly for humans, for many years to come. How do asteroid impacts fit in to young earth theology?

Never once does the Bible say God created the universe an instant. There is never any specific information given about how long the creation of the universe took. Genesis 1:1 says "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". How long was the beginning? The Bible doesn't tell us. Science, however, does tells us, and it tell us the universe is billions of years old.
 
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If history and creation have a purpose--which I believe--that all things "were made for Him and by Him" (Him being Christ); if Christ is the telos toward which all things are purposed. Then doesn't that make the lengthy, 14 odd billion year history of the universe, with millions of years of evolution taking place on one small blue orb located around one insignificant star on just one arm on just one galaxy even more amazing?

Wouldn't, then, if both evolution and the Gospel story are true, make the two compliment each other, signifying an even more amazing story?

That from star dust to human beings, and with a Child born to a virgin named Mary in a backwater town called Nazareth in a backwater province of the Roman Empire, the Logos--through whom all things came into existence--became flesh and dwelt among us. The Story of God, therefore, doesn't just begin several thousand years ago, but billions of years ago.

That's more amazing to me. And, by comparison, the Young Earth Creationist version pales.

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Hi guys,

Well, many are asking why I introduced this vid as 'proof' of the age of the earth.

Ok, let me answer that. When I came to understand that my Savior died for me, it was proof positive to me that all that God had created was for a purpose. It was also proof positive to me of the awesome power and glory of my God. When I understood the purpose of the Scriptures and the purpose of His Son, then I knew without a doubt that there is no such thing as evolution. God created, in what is basically a moment, all the perfection that is this realm. He spoke, just as the Scriptures declare, out of nothing, a zillion stars in an instant. That's the power and glory of the God I serve. His Son proved that to me.

God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted

Interesting. I'm curious. How did this realization come to you? Was it like an experience of divine revelation? Or did you have to reason it out?
 
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I am a young earth creationist because its the simplest way to explain the scriptures.

Look at all the work TE's need to put in to explaining so much of the Bible because of their non-literal genesis view. They have to explain Paul's references to Adam, why MOses didn't write the pentateuch, draw from ANE (EXTRABIBLICAL RELIGIOUS SOURCES) texts... there is so much work put into explaining the Bible with a TE view, creationism just flows so simply for everyone, and the Bible is for everyone, not just the elite and the educated.
 
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But doesn't such an argument boil down to: it's easier to explain this so long as contrary evidence is ignored? A Young Earth would also suffer more difficulty if it attempted to explain the other evidence. Ignoring evolution (and therefore circular arguments) there is still the geological and astronomical evidence that requires explaining. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Past geological events include the ice ages (and geological formations related to them), volcanic rock deposits (datable from radiation), changes in the location of hot spots (like Hawaii or Iceland), continental drift, water causes formations like the Grand Canyon (which took 17 million years to form), etc... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Astrological events, like meteor impacts, the formation of celestial bodies, or even that light reaches the Earth from many million of light years away. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To dismiss a great deal of those basically requires the acceptance of a deceptive God, which doesn't seem to be a favorable conclusion.
 
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I am a young earth creationist because its the simplest way to explain the scriptures.

Look at all the work TE's need to put in to explaining so much of the Bible because of their non-literal genesis view. They have to explain Paul's references to Adam, why MOses didn't write the pentateuch, draw from ANE (EXTRABIBLICAL RELIGIOUS SOURCES) texts... there is so much work put into explaining the Bible with a TE view, creationism just flows so simply for everyone, and the Bible is for everyone, not just the elite and the educated.
2Pet 3:15 ...just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand... If Paul says things in his letters that are hard to understand, then a simple explanation may be a misunderstanding of the text. Paul uses words like 'figure', mystery' and 'allegorized' to describe some of his interpretations of Genesis, that is hardly a simple explanation of the text.

The bible says nothing about Moses writing Genesis, nor is an understanding of the authorship of Genesis at all necessary for TE, it is simply that people who are willing to reexamine how they interpret Genesis don't tend to have problems looking at evidence of its construction. Of course the evidence for the documentary hypothesis comes from the text of Genesis itself in the styles and vocabulary of the different writers, you even have many creationists recognising the documentary structure today through the tablet theory. The only area where comparisons with extrabiblical texts comes up is in trying to understand when these various documents were written or when they were edited together. But since the bible says nothing of Moses being the author (or in the tablet theory, editor) I don't see you problem with extrabiblical sources. Most scholarly conservative commentaries will quote extrabiblical sources, even the maps in the back of AV bibles are extrabiblical.
 
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I am a young earth creationist because its the simplest way to explain the scriptures.

Look at all the work TE's need to put in to explaining so much of the Bible because of their non-literal genesis view. They have to explain Paul's references to Adam, why MOses didn't write the pentateuch, draw from ANE (EXTRABIBLICAL RELIGIOUS SOURCES) texts... there is so much work put into explaining the Bible with a TE view, creationism just flows so simply for everyone, and the Bible is for everyone, not just the elite and the educated.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, look at how hard it is for Trinitarians to explain Deut 6:4! Or for Arminians to explain Romans 9-11! Or for Calvinists to explain Hebrews 10:26-27! Gee, all these guys must be wrong about the Bible too.

You know what's the simplest possible position to take concerning the Bible? That none of it is worth serious study and that all of it is just old hokey hogwash. If you want the easy life, there it is. No work, no pain, no struggle, no truth.
 
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Hi Mallon,

You responded:
For example, I consider you to have been created for a purpose, but you weren't miraculously created in an instant. You developed gradually, naturally, over a period of 9 months. To me, purpose doesn't derive from how long it takes for something to come about.

That's not completely correct. The old me was a product of my experiences and upbringing, and yes my fleshly body took 9 monght do be formed, but the born again me was an instantaneous and miraculous work of God's Holy Spirit. While, yes, even the born again me had to learn, over time, the truths of God, it was a miraculous instantaneous transformation in me that caused me to desire to know Him more and more each day.

God bless you.

Hello Verticordius,

You responded:
Never once does the Bible say God created the universe an instant. There is never any specific information given about how long the creation of the universe took. Genesis 1:1 says "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".

Yes it does, but God's word can only be rightfully divided by those with the Spirit of God as their master. You see, you think the word 'beginning' defines some 'period of time'. It does not. The first sentence of the Genesis account is an introduction: 'In the beginning' - is an introduction to His created, us, how He made everything.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty (pay careful attention to that word), darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Now, I ask you to pull your thinking cap on real tight. According to your understanding there was an 'eon' of time between this explanation and the next paragraph. During this 'eon' of time we have 'scientifically' proven evolution, right? Where did the dinosaurs live? Because, my friend it isn't until the third day that there is any dry ground upon the face of the earth. Now, you may say, "Well, there were sea creatures. No! They weren't created until the fifth day.

So, by thinking that the opening sentence allows for a nearly limitless time for many of the things that 'science' has 'proven' regarding our past, we fail to understand that all this time the earth would have been empty and void. No land creatures, no sea creatures, no amoeba like creatures to have 'evolved' into what 'science' has 'proven' as the core of our knowledge of the beginnings.

However, the born again believer understands that the knowledge of the word of God doesn't come to those without the Spirit of God and so it is accepted that those without the indwelling Spirit of God will not understand such things. You understand that the first words in the first sentence of the creation account don't establish a timeframe and then allow that timeframe to be the 'eonic' period in which the earth and the universe became what it is, but fail to see that the Scriptures clearly tell us that even if that is what we might draw from the first sentence, then the earth sat in the heavens for however uncounted years we might equate as the 'period of the beginning' empty and void. There was no land, there were no living creatures and so there was not evolutionary process to be working out.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hello again Verticordious,

You responded:
It is undeniable that a huge asteroid hit the Earth, given the 112 mile wide crater in southern Mexico and the massive increase in the iridium contents of the soil from that time period all around the globe.

I'm probably not as wise as you in worldly knowledge and so I'm going to have to ask you to 'prove' your statement to me. What 'proof' has been offered as to the 'time' of this meteoric strike? Secondly, what 'proof' has been offered as to the time of this increase in iridium content?

You see, as I understand God, He is wiser than any of our wisest scientists and He knows what everything needs to work properly. Let me give you an example.

The Scriptures tell us that there was a 'day' a literal sun came up and sun went down 'day' that He created the first man. The earth had already been formed and for the sake of this example we won't even consider whether it was also done in a day or an 'eon'. The stars and planets and grass and trees and animals had all been made and the earth and the universe, for all intents and purposes was just as we see it today. Then God created Adam.

Now, for the purposes of this example we will need to use some fiction, but I think if you follow the logic you will find it irrefutable. Let's just say that instead of Adam living over 900 years, he died during the first week of his existence. Seven days of rising and setting suns. He's named all the animals and gotten to see Eve and hopefully had sexual relations with her so that the creation continues, but nevertheless he falls out of a tree trying to gather some food to eat and hits his head and dies. Let's also allow that there was someone who was practiced in forensic science and had all the knowledge of the whole world's libraries regarding this 'scientific' practice. Eve calls this forensics specialist on her cell phone and asks him to come over and do an autopsy on Adam to determine his cause of death. She was probably blonde and didn't understand that the big gaping wound on the side of his head and his brains falling out had anything to do with it.

So the forensics specialist comes and lays Adam out and begins to cut through the sternum and cuts out and weighs all of Adam's internal organs and measures all of his limbs and does all the preliminary work that they do in performing an autopsy. He notes all the weights and measurements on his 'official death certificate' and then makes his detemination based on his voluminous knowledge of forensics.

Under description he writes:

Subject appears to be a healthy male of about 28 years of age,...

Wait a minute!! What?? God just created him last week. How can this great and worldly trained finest forensics specialist make such a glaring mistake?

Well, the answer is simple. He trusted science instead of God. He has studied and knows that a male with bone measurements of the size of this speciman is a matured man who must, no has to be, at least 18 years old. There are volumes and volumes of such proven 'evidence' in all the libraries of the world. He knows that the size and weight of the organs would only be of a man who is in his early twenties. He knows that all of his hair coloring and body hair can only be attributed to a man who has fully matured and that isn't usually until the mid twenties. There is literally tons of evidence and he can pull out of his own personal libraries all kinds of justifcations for his findings, but ultimately, yes, the truth is that he's wrong.

Now, let's look at the earth and try to make some logical conclusions from this fictional account to real life. If... If, God created the earth nearly instanteaneously and for whatever reason the future existence of the planet needed to have a varying iridium content, then God put that in there. We, taking all of our worldy science textbooks, see this change in the iridium levels and based upon what we 'know', what we've 'proven scientifically' we know that the earth must therefore be so many millions of years old because of this change in iridium content that we 'know' must indicate millions of years of age. But, just like in the account of Adam, it just isn't true. The change in iridium content needed to be there for some functional reason just as Adam's organs needed to be fully formed and grown so that Adam could live without aid of a mother's breast to suckle and raise him as a baby. Adam had to be made fully formed and grown into a man because he couldn't have taken care of himself as a day old baby. However, all men since Adam, have come into this world as a suckling babe and so we accept that that is the only way a man can become fully grown, yes, now you can work to discredit and obfuscate the issue by bringing in Elijah. Science has proven beyond any doubt that the only way a man comes to walk on this earth is that a sperm impregnates and egg and a child is born as a wee babe and is suckled and cared for until he becomes a fully grown man.

But there are two exceptions to that 'scientifically proven' 'fact'. Adam and Eve. So, hopefully you will seek the guiding of the Holy Spirit and come to understand that this same 'impossible' event, according to our 'proven science' that would deny the true age of Adam under the circumstances written here, does really deny the true age of the earth. We base all of our 'scientific proof' on what we have observed as rational, natural, logical processes, but friend, the creation was none of that!!

BTW don't forget to take your thinking cap off before you go out.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hello again Verticordious,

You responded:
It is undeniable that a huge asteroid hit the Earth, given the 112 mile wide crater in southern Mexico and the massive increase in the iridium contents of the soil from that time period all around the globe.

I'm probably not as wise as you in worldly knowledge and so I'm going to have to ask you to 'prove' your statement to me. What 'proof' has been offered as to the 'time' of this meteoric strike? Secondly, what 'proof' has been offered as to the time of this increase in iridium content?

You see, as I understand God, He is wiser than any of our wisest scientists and He knows what everything needs to work properly. Let me give you an example.

The Scriptures tell us that there was a 'day' a literal sun came up and sun went down 'day' that He created the first man. The earth had already been formed and for the sake of this example we won't even consider whether it was also done in a day or an 'eon'. The stars and planets and grass and trees and animals had all been made and the earth and the universe, for all intents and purposes was just as we see it today. Then God created Adam.

Now, for the purposes of this example we will need to use some fiction, but I think if you follow the logic you will find it irrefutable. Let's just say that instead of Adam living over 900 years, he died during the first week of his existence. Seven days of rising and setting suns. He's named all the animals and gotten to see Eve and hopefully had sexual relations with her so that the creation continues, but nevertheless he falls out of a tree trying to gather some food to eat and hits his head and dies. Let's also allow that there was someone who was practiced in forensic science and had all the knowledge of the whole world's libraries regarding this 'scientific' practice. Eve calls this forensics specialist on her cell phone and asks him to come over and do an autopsy on Adam to determine his cause of death. She was probably blonde and didn't understand that the big gaping wound on the side of his head and his brains falling out had anything to do with it.

So the forensics specialist comes and lays Adam out and begins to cut through the sternum and cuts out and weighs all of Adam's internal organs and measures all of his limbs and does all the preliminary work that they do in performing an autopsy. He notes all the weights and measurements on his 'official death certificate' and then makes his detemination based on his voluminous knowledge of forensics.

Under description he writes:

Subject appears to be a healthy male of about 28 years of age,...

Wait a minute!! What?? God just created him last week. How can this great and worldly trained finest forensics specialist make such a glaring mistake?

Well, the answer is simple. He trusted science instead of God. He has studied and knows that a male with bone measurements of the size of this speciman is a matured man who must, no has to be, at least 18 years old. There are volumes and volumes of such proven 'evidence' in all the libraries of the world. He knows that the size and weight of the organs would only be of a man who is in his early twenties. He knows that all of his hair coloring and body hair can only be attributed to a man who has fully matured and that isn't usually until the mid twenties. There is literally tons of evidence and he can pull out of his own personal libraries all kinds of justifcations for his findings, but ultimately, yes, the truth is that he's wrong.

Now, let's look at the earth and try to make some logical conclusions from this fictional account to real life. If... If, God created the earth nearly instanteaneously and for whatever reason the future existence of the planet needed to have a varying iridium content, then God put that in there. We, taking all of our worldy science textbooks, see this change in the iridium levels and based upon what we 'know', what we've 'proven scientifically' we know that the earth must therefore be so many millions of years old because of this change in iridium content that we 'know' must indicate millions of years of age. But, just like in the account of Adam, it just isn't true. The change in iridium content needed to be there for some functional reason just as Adam's organs needed to be fully formed and grown so that Adam could live without aid of a mother's breast to suckle and raise him as a baby. Adam had to be made fully formed and grown into a man because he couldn't have taken care of himself as a day old baby. However, all men since Adam, have come into this world as a suckling babe and so we accept that that is the only way a man can become fully grown, yes, now you can work to discredit and obfuscate the issue by bringing in Elijah. Science has proven beyond any doubt that the only way a man comes to walk on this earth is that a sperm impregnates and egg and a child is born as a wee babe and is suckled and cared for until he becomes a fully grown man.

But there are two exceptions to that 'scientifically proven' 'fact'. Adam and Eve. So, hopefully you will seek the guiding of the Holy Spirit and come to understand that this same 'impossible' event, according to our 'proven science' that would deny the true age of Adam under the circumstances written here, does really deny the true age of the earth. We base all of our 'scientific proof' on what we have observed as rational, natural, logical processes, but friend, the creation was none of that!!

BTW don't forget to take your thinking cap off before you go out.
God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Appearance of age and appearance of history are two entirely different things. Adam may have had the appearance of an adult human, but he wouldn't have the history. You might say that Adam looks a certain age because he looks similar to someone else you saw who was that age, but there's no test to determine a person's age. However, Adam wouldn't have things, such as scars, that directly indicated something happened in the past.

Soil has layers. The average layer has about .4 parts per billion of Iridium, then in this particular layer when the asteroid hit has 6 parts per billion. A 1500% increase, so it's not just noise. There is no denying that the Earth was hit by a huge asteroid at that time, and in many other times throughout its history. Even with the weather and tectonic activity that Earth has, there are still multiple huge mass-extinction sized creators around the globe. The moon, which has no weather or tectonic activity to erode away craters has over 80% of it's surface covered. Despite having only 1/10th the surface area of the Earth, the moon has dozens of creators capable of producing mass extinctions if they had hit Earth.

This is something that anyone can understand and even view themselves. Go get a telescope and look at the moon if you don't believe me. You will see that it is almost entirely covered with impact craters. Either it really happened, of God simply made it look like it really happened, and I don't buy the idea that God makes things that aren't true look true. If you're going to entertain such ideas, then why believe the Christianity is true? Maybe Islam is true, or Hinduism, but God just made it look like Christianity is true? If you can't rely on the truth, then what can you rely on?
 
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I am a young earth creationist because its the simplest way to explain the scriptures.

Look at all the work TE's need to put in to explaining so much of the Bible because of their non-literal genesis view. They have to explain Paul's references to Adam, why MOses didn't write the pentateuch, draw from ANE (EXTRABIBLICAL RELIGIOUS SOURCES) texts... there is so much work put into explaining the Bible with a TE view, creationism just flows so simply for everyone, and the Bible is for everyone, not just the elite and the educated.


So, when reality and literalism clash... you find it easier to rethink reality than your interpretation?
 
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Hi Verticordius,

You responded:
Appearance of age and appearance of history are two entirely different things. Adam may have had the appearance of an adult human, but he wouldn't have the history.

That's what one might call 'technical gibberish'. Yes, Adam had as much 'proof' of a history as the earth does. He had, on the first day of his life, a fully grown brain, kidney, bone structure, body hair and all the other indexis of a fully grown and mature adult who had a 20-30 year 'history' based on all the known 'science' that we have at our disposal today, from one end of the earth to the other.

My point is that the earth, on its first day of existence, had all of the same 'history' proof that we see today and, based on all of our known 'science' that we have at our disposal today, from one end of the earth to the other, we do not correctly date it either.

And the reason is simple and nearly every scientist will agree. We can't date the earth correctly because the one 'fact' that we ignore in both the example I have given of Adam and the creation of the earth is that it is a MIRACLE OF GOD!!!!
It is a given of the definition of a miracle that science cannot explain them. Yet we continue to try.

God bless you, friend.
In Christ, Ted
 
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