i think i will come in here and back up fenderElctrc. i have noticed that the TE's on this forum take the idea that ganging up on someone is the best way to stop dissenting opinions.
The Apostles taught us so that we would not have to go beyond what is written. I choose Creation because the Apostles often referred back to Adam and Eve as real people
nothing wrong with this. the apostles and Jesus both treated Adam and Eve as literal and real people.
also, when Jesus taught, He did not go outside what was written, when He quoted the Old Testament He always said, 'it is written..." (or something similar). when He was questioned or tried to be tricked, He never changed the Old Testament but answered in a way that both supported it and provided clearer insight to the issue.
we do need to stay within what is written because those are God's words and we are not allowed to add in anything secular or sinful to them and they help us determine what is right and wrong.
If people didn't think beyond whats written we'd be living in the dark ages.
this is just an excuse and not a good enough reason to justify thinking in secular terms. from what i read, there is a great mis-understanding of what those words mean. {such exegetical work can waith till later}
However, I would argue we HAVE to go beyond what is written because the world changes so much
there are several problems with this kind of philosophy. 1. the world doesn't really change, men follow after their lusts now as they did in ancient times.
2. it assumes that the Bible is inadequate to guide God's children and we need to tweek it a bit.
3. it assumes that God was inadequate in not preparing a good enough book for man to follow.
4. it asumes that sin changes.
5. it assumes that God changes.
sorry but God and what He has declared as sin do not change. if it did, then we might as well invalidate the whole Bible for then God is a hypocrite and capable of sinning and all civilizations are being judged under different rules. sorry doesn't fly.
things far unlike anything the Apostles had to deal with
1.doesn't matter, all that you mentioned fall under the same categories that were present in Jesus' time. what is not of God is shunned and avoided what is is embraced. claiming technology changes the rules, is saying that technology rules God and it doesn't.
2. this thinking starts in the wrong place. it is assuming that the apostles wrote of their own free will and did not listen to God thus handicapping all those who believe their words. No. you have to start with God, since he directed His authors as to what to say and God does have the foresight and he put in to the Bible the verses which applied back then and apply today. if He didn't then we could charge him with being unfair and not being a just judge, among other charges.
In the same way as those issues, we must deal with scientific discovery
this is just out of place and a misrepresentation of the true picture of the past. and has been dealt with in other threads.
I would like to know how someone can determine that the author believes that a person the author references is real.
how. God does not lie--Titus 1:1-2 thus His writers could not lie or mis-represent what God said or all the Bible would be worthless. there are far greater ramifications involved than any of you know about.
if the biblical writers and Jesus treated adam and eve as real, then they are real.
He pointed out that your reasons are not well-supported.
actually he is well supported. he is basing it on those who can't be trumped.
Pointing out flaws in somebody else's reasoning or theology is NEVER equivalent to attacking the person personally
please remember that when/as i do it to you all.
I think this is taking what is written out of context
it isn't taken out of context for it isn't just written to the corinthians but to anyone who violates what God has said. it is quite clear that christians are to apply it to all scriptures and not to those they want to and ignore the rest.
Anyone who boasts or thinks of themselves as a better Christian than others because they follow a human leader the other does not is going beyond what is written, just as the Corinthians were.
Christians aren't to follow a human leader, they are to follow Christ and be led of the Spirit. because who will catch those leaders if they stray or fall? are they on their own just because they are leaders? how canwe follow the scripture 'if someone sees another committing sin...go to him...' if you are not following the truth then you will not catch the error.
1. A reference to a person doesn't tell us whether the author thinks the person was real or not.
2. TE does not require that Adam be fictional. You can have evolution AND a real Adam.
point one-- already addressed.
point two-- no you can't. evolution is not scriptural nor of God, you cannot mix it in with the Bible.
And I didn't post to say you should not choose creationism. But you should think your reasons through more carefully.
do you know what the Bible says about leading someone away from their faith-- 'better a millstone be hung around their neck...'
there is nothing wrong or evil about believing in creationism. it is of God and scripturally supported.
As for Buddhism, i still continue to study it as it has opened my mind and contributed to me being a better person in general.
i live in a buddhist/confucious country and i see first hand what they believe. it is wiser that you give up studying such false religions and concentrate on God and His word. neither can help you understand what God is saying, both are from evil.
I never stated the main reason why I believe Creation. It's mostly because I feel what's right in my spirit
stay with that feeling but remember the evil one can copy things from God, and make other thinking 'feel' right. there is nothing true about evolution. it is solely a human model designed to remove God from the picture anyone who adopts and adapts such thinking is playing with fire.
not leading you to reject the evolution that is accepted by the scientific community.
God doesn't lead people to sin, and being accepted by the scientific community doesn't mean it is of God.. God never said to follow anyone else but HIM, no matter who accepts it or not.
I think the vast majority of those who accept evolution on this board would quickly reject the understanding of evolution many creationists have
we do not have a false view of evolution. God has shown us that it is wrong and has shown us where. it is those who adhere to it that think we do not understand it, but that is not the case. we are just not deceived by it.
besides the truth does not change yet evolution changes every decade, year, generation with different scientists, and others who adhere to it. this is one of evolution's weak links. no one can agree what it is or prove it exists,without conjecture or inferrences.
some atheists claim that it isnot the same theory as darwin presented it, if that is so then evolution is not true, for if the originator can be wrong then there is no hope for anyone else to be right. one cannot afford to believe in something that changes for then all its words will change and there can be nohope or confidence in the theory.
I believe I'm supposed to preach love to them, not their sins
there is where you err. Jesus preached against sin, anyone can just preach love, the hippies did it back inthe 60's and accumulated a large following. BUT people are to repent of their SINS and they must be addressed or what would they be repenting from?
do as the Bible says when you get these 'feelings' "TEST the Spirits..." if yo don't then you will end up following the wrong advice. the Bible lays it out fo ryou how to do that.
people are being called to the truth and to get to it they must turn from all worldy thinking, desires, theories, sin and follow God. to do otherwise means one has not repented but glossed over one's sin so that they can still pursue what is wrong but christianize it as they go.
