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I'm speechless.Not "3" nor "2" resurrectons sir, only "1" at the end, ie, Jn.5:28, 29; 6:39 and Dan.12:2, and this isn't the Truth, but on earth. Sorry, appreciate you and your words.Originally Posted by precepts:
There's nowhere in scripture saying the ten toes represents 10 kingdoms. The 4 beast kingdoms in Dan 7 are the same kingdoms represented in the image. The 4th beast kingdom, which is the two legs of iron in the image, has ten kings, not kingdoms:
The toes and feet represents this 11th horn, the 5th kingdom on the image, and the 2nd beast in Rev 13 with the two horns, the False Prophet. The 1st beast in Rev 13 represents the legs of iron and the 4th beast in Dan 7 with the ten horns, Rome. Rome is the last of all the empires being the 4th and 5th kingdoms in Dan 7 and the two beasts in Rev 13.
Dan 7:11's 11th horn being given to the flame is Rev 19:20, proving the Beast in Rev 17:12 is also the 8th horn of the 10 on Dan 7's 4th beast kingdom of Rome. These are the facts. The 5th kingdom of the toes and feet doesn't have ten kingdoms because of the ten toes. It is the 11th horn, the 2nd beast in Rev 13, the False Prophet. The reason he has two horns is because they represent him and the "devil" that's cast into the lake of fire post the 1,000 yrs reign.
The "Devil" isn't the "devil" that's cast into the lake of fire, but Gog, the Greek lil horn from Dan 8:11 and 11:31. The False Prophet and Gog are two of the four Euphrates angels released during the 6th trump. Check the connection between Ez 39:22 and Rev 20:9. They're the same event, the reason Dan 11's context jumps from the Greek kings to the 2nd resurrection in Dan 12.
What Christianity hasn't discovered yet is the "Wheat and Tares" harvest resurrection is the 3rd resurrection of this physical world into the New Shalem or the lake of fire. There's no "throne" judgement in the 3rd resurrection. The 2nd Resurrection is the "Great White Throne" judgement. The 1st resurrection was for the just only:
Humble pie Jack
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
When Christ was saying these words, weren't he speaking of the temple destruction in 70 ad as future?Lets see what Jesus Christ says about his prophecies, just to make sure, because his words were given for ALL Christians to receive..
Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Jesus is telling us that what he is saying is for the future and to use the prophecy to understand our reality.
Again, in Jesus own words, given for ALL GENERATIONS TO USE FOR PROFIT.
Joh 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Listen to what Jesus Christ is trying to tell you...
Not me..
When Christ was saying these words, weren't he speaking of the temple destruction in 70 ad as future?
You guys claim Nero stood in Gods temple and declared himself God.
That is no where in history...
Lets see what Jesus Christ says about his prophecies, just to make sure, because his words were given for ALL Christians to receive..
Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Jesus is telling us that what he is saying is for the future and to use the prophecy to understand our reality.
Again, in Jesus own words, given for ALL GENERATIONS TO USE FOR PROFIT.
Joh 16:4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Listen to what Jesus Christ is trying to tell you...
Not me..
False. Straw Man.
Show me ONE preterist who makes that claim.
Prophecy, the objective contents from God, can be in the past, present, or the future.
A prophet in the broad sense indicates any and all ability to communicate the saving will of God to others so that every true non-partial-Preterist, non-full-Preterist or non-Futurist may be called a valid "Prophet."
Hope this helps,
Humble pie Jack
btw immediate prophecy has ceased, ie, all mediate after the 1st century
BW, what reason would Syriac versions have for transcribing this:
[FONT="]7 – Early Syrian versions of the Book of Revelation has the title of "John the Evangelist in the Isle of Patmos, where he was thrown by Nero Caesar." Nero, of course, was dead by 68 AD.
I've been to sites and checked their titles.
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False. Straw Man.
Show me ONE preterist who makes that claim.
Once again...been there with you Bible2...and you keep making the same mistake with the gematria.
Now try it the way it should be done...not as you do it above...but using the HEBREW LETTERS!!!
Like this:
N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200
Because that's how it's done!
The Hebrew rendering:
So you dont believe that Nero was the antichrist, the "beast" of Revelation? The Lawless one? The Man of Sin?
Again, you first need to prove FROM SCRIPTURE that these [The Beast of Revelation, The man of sin of 2 Thess. & antichrist of 1 & 2 John] are the same individual human being.Ive literally been sifting through preterist training sites that teach you guys how to manipulate Nero as a proven Beast, but he doesnt fit the bill according to Roman records..
You have presumed these are the same person.
Scripture NEVER teaches they are.
Again, you first need to prove FROM SCRIPTURE that these [The Beast of Revelation, The man of sin of 2 Thess. & antichrist of 1 & 2 John] are the same individual human being.
I dont need to prove anything regarding prophecy before it unfolds, that is how heretical doctrines are formed..
AntiChrist is a spirit. This is not something that is debated..
We are looking for those in AntiChrist spirit who will be a false prophet, and a false messiah, claiming to be god.
Who in 70ad stood in the temple of God and claimed to be God before it was destroyed?
Like I said... que the crickets...
"Silence confirms consent".
Like I said, you have no objective proof of your 2thes prophecy every occuring in human history.
You cant submit anything because you have nothing.
The crickets are the sound of your own legs, fleeting as they may be from the topic at hand..
Really? Well...if you don't mind, I'd like to jump in here. Let's nail this down and see how you're making an assumption.70ad is not anywhere in the Bible.
As a preterist, you must rely on information outside of the Bible to make that assertion.
On the contrary...if the information is in concert with the bible and the prophecy is closed (as John closed Revelation at 22:18, 19)...what is wrong at looking at the prophecy in light of the event it prophesies, to see if that event is the fulfillment of that prophecy? Please answer that APART from what you think...it's a legitimate question.No problems with that, but if the preterist is using information other than the Bible to prove their point, then they must accept the same unfolding of prophecy today which is a fulfillment of Jesus Christs promise..
Like what?There are also holes in the prophecy that history is unable to account for that you guys say happened already, yet the current reality that is unfolding guarentees the promises Christ paid for with his Blood..
Think again. Jesus has gone to the cross. THE TEMPLE IS NOW HIS CHURCH...NOT Herod's temple...AND THIS IS THE CLEAR ERROR you're making! Jesus pronounced Herod's Temple DESOLATE in Matthew 23:37-39. It was NO LONGER GOD'S HOUSE.Forgive me for preaching a Bloody Christ, it was indeed his Blood that bought our salvation..
He died so we would have his Gospel, which is given to ALL generations..
You guys claim Nero stood in Gods temple and declared himself God.
That is no where in history...
On the other side even within Revelation John tells us these things:
*He was a "partaker IN THE TRIBULATION"
*He had been sent (exiled) to Patmos because of his testimony in Christ.
*As he writes to the 7 churches he mentions tribulation 3 times to them as something THEY would see coming to them.
Nope.Should we just blow that off?
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