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I've never thought if it that way, but that's right. Thanks for sharing that. I'll be using it.
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My poly sci professor always maintained that the real opposite of Liberal was not Conservative but Ideologue.
Yeah, it's practically a cliché. Still he got me an A at A level Sociology so I'm fine with that.That's a good counter-example. Isn't that common in sociology? I have never met a conservative sociologist lol, but they might exist.
-When i was in college back in the 80's i had no idea what the teachers political beliefs were.
The concerns here are mostly not about undergraduate lectures. It's largely about graduate/doctoral level programs and the writings produced by those professors.
Also, if you think art classes can't get political.... lol buddy.
You don't seem to know what goes on in them or how the students' beliefs would be threatened.
Is the teacher supposed to keep them a secret? Are students not supposed to be exposed to people with different political beliefs than their own? At least we know now that it's political beliefs that you are worried about.-I never said art classes can not get political, anything can become political, just look at this forum.
But if a teacher is teaching a class on subject, there is no need to interject personal political beliefs into a subject
So how did the political beliefs of your teachers affect your art studies? I'm not trying to trick you, just to understand you. When I went to college I took courses in things like poly sci, philosophy, etc. from teachers whose political beliefs were very different from my own and who were sometimes quite vocal about it. Some of my existing beliefs changed, some were strengthened and altogether I found it an improving experience. How does that work in an art class?-I was an art major in college back in the 80's and have made my living with art for 30 plus years.
That’s how I remember it. I graduated in 1984 first time around and once again in 2014. There was a bit more political talk my second time around but not as pervasive as it is now.I remember one of my favorite class in college was overtly political. It was American Political Thought. As students we often would engage the professor on various topics. We could never figure out of he was Liberal, Moderate, or Conservative. One day we asked him and he told us it didn't matter. He then drew us into a discussion on illegal immigration. He made excellent points for the "conservative" side of the argument the proceeded to make excellent points for the "liberal" side. He said we each needed to form our own views based on the best information available and to understand an issue from all sides. I've always tried to do that. I would say I am mostly successful given that many Liberals say I am a Conservative and many Conservative say I am a Liberal.
It was years after the class I discovered that the professor was a member of the Democratic Party in my state when I happened to see him at a fundraising event. I spoke with him and he said his intention in the class was to teach us to engage our minds. One of the best books from the class I still own, Closing of The American Mind by Allan Bloom.
So how did the political beliefs of your teachers affect your art studies? I'm not trying to trick you, just to understand you. When I went to college I took courses in things like poly sci, philosophy, etc. from teachers whose political beliefs were very different from my own and who were sometimes quite vocal about it. Some of my existing beliefs changed, some were strengthened and altogether I found it an improving experience. How does that work in an art class?
When I was in college back in the early sixties their were plenty of political beliefs being aired on all sides, more than today, I expect. I still don't see what the problem is.-When i was in college back in the 80's i had no idea what the teachers political beliefs were.
When I was in college back in the early sixties their were plenty of political beliefs being aired on all sides, more than today, I expect. I still don't see what the problem is.
I admit I was skeptical of South Dakota's law to try and insure that conservatives were represented as faculty in their colleges. Turns out it was pretty successful. Basically if your department had 5 liberals, the next hire needed to be a conservative. This legislative attempt was to help reach a balance. Here is one article on it. When Legislatures Become the Ally of Academic Freedom: The First State Intellectual Diversity Statute and Its Effect on Academic Freedom - South Carolina Law ReviewIs hiring more conservative professors and admitting more conservative students a solution to liberal bias in American higher education?
Many people think so. The Trump administration, in threatening to cut Harvard’s federal funding, demanded that the university foster greater “viewpoint diversity,” including by recruiting faculty members and students who would restore ideological balance to campus.
But a policy of hiring professors and admitting students because they have conservative views would actually endanger the open-minded intellectual environment that proponents of viewpoint diversity say they want. By creating incentives for professors and students to have and maintain certain political positions, such a policy would discourage curiosity and reward narrowness of thought.
Would a deliberate effort to hire professors with conservatives views backfire or create balance? The example of Robert Nozick is given in the article as an someone who had an obvious Libertarian view but was hired for intellectual rigor and not his politics. Is that a good example?
ETA: The author concedes that there is liberal bias in US universities.
I admit I was skeptical of South Dakota's law to try and insure that conservatives were represented as faculty in their colleges. Turns out it was pretty successful. Basically if your department had 5 liberals, the next hire needed to be a conservative. This legislative attempt was to help reach a balance. Here is one article on it. When Legislatures Become the Ally of Academic Freedom: The First State Intellectual Diversity Statute and Its Effect on Academic Freedom - South Carolina Law Review
Just remember I’m an Aunt.It wouldn’t maintain a balance. But that would not be it backfiring. That would be as intended.
It’s like what happened in The Handmaids Tale.
Well, when your Econ Prof had actually worked on The Hill and was near the economic advisors for the Republican party it is a pretty good bet he was not liberal by any sane definition.The other issues is, how do you tell a conservative professor from a liberal professor?
My econ prof? You must be thinking about somebody else. I didn't take an econ course until I was at grad school at a state university. He was quite conservative in the old fashioned way--Adam Smith's economics, not Milton Friedman's.Well, when your Econ Prof had actually worked on The Hill and was near the economic advisors for the Republican party it is a pretty good bet he was not liberal by any sane definition.
I think there are two issues in play here, free speech for sure, but also content. Our present crop of university professors are becoming reactionary ideologues and think they need to take up a defensive position. What they are afraid of is the Hillsdale College brand of conservativism, which has no real place in an institution devoted to intellectually integrity. But the best way to deal with it is not by suppression; the "marketplace of ideas" will make short work of it. Even if it is being imposed by law,But undergrad I had a biology prof who I considered conservative who had been blacklisted in the McCarthy era.
My econ prof? You must be thinking about somebody else. I didn't take an econ course until I was at grad school at a state university. He was quite conservative in the old fashioned way--Adam Smith's economics, not Milton Friedman's.
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