They had, and still do have, another god. John 8:44 tells you who their father god is.
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Dear me. It would take a long time to go through all the error. I will simply say for starters that it takes millions of years for light from the stars to reach earth. When Abraham looked at the stars, the earth was already millions of years old.
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God has deserted Israel in favour of the Gentiles
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Given the massive level of unbelief you've expressed in this thread, its no surprise that you are completely blind to demonic activity.
Oppressed/possessed.
This is a completely spurious argument, which is why I never use the word "possessed". The simple fact is that demons can indwell people, and that is demonstrated by the fact that they get cast OUT.
That just proves how little you understand the topic of demons. Anyone who does voodoo or any other witchcraft will always always always have demons in them. Where do you imagine their power comes from?
Dear oh dear, more christian mythology.
I have been casting demons out of people for over 40 years, and every single one was a bible believing, spirit filled Christian.
Maybe you should stop looking at Hollywood and start attending to the needs of the church.
I have lost count of the Christians whose lives have been turned around when they have been delivered from the demons controlling their lives. Many of these lovely believers have been struggling for decades under various demonic bondages, but just like we see Jesus did in the gospels, the evil spirits can be driven out of them by any faithful christian.
We need a hope, but those false teachers who say the earth is only 10,000 years old when it takes millions of years for water to gouge out the Grand Canyon and only 300 million years for coal to form, are turning the Bible into a series of fairy stories. Nobody will believe it anymore. They are destroying Christianity from the foundation up. May I point the reader's attention to the top line of my signature.
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You are seriously mistaken if you believe that casting demons out was limited to the eleven!
History shows it was regularly done in the early church.
"EVIDENCES OF DELIVERANCE IN EARLY CHURCH HISTORY - Casting out demons or evil spirits was routinely practiced in the early church.Deliverance has been practiced throughout Church history wherever men are led by the Holy Spirit.
Irenaeus Against Heresies, Book II, 32:4 (190 A.D.) - "For some (Christians do certainly and truly drive out devils, so that those who have thus been cleansed from evil spirits frequently both believe and join themselves to the church." DELIVERANCE is also implied to be done by Christians in Book II, 31:2.
Justin Martyr, Second Apology, Ch. 8 (153 A.D.) - This apology was addressed to the Roman Senate. "And they (demons), having been shut up in eternal fire, shall suffer their just punishment and penalty. For if they are even now overthrown by men through the Name of Jesus Christ, this is an intimation of the punishment in eternal fire which is to be inflicted on themselves and those who serve them."
Second Apology, Ch. 6 - "And now you (Roman Senate) can learn this from what is under your own observation. For numberless demoniacs throughout the whole world, and in your city, many of our Christian men exorcising them in the Name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, have healed and do heal, rendering helpless and driving the demons out of men, though they could not be cured by all the other exorcists, and those who used incantations and drugs."
Justin Martyr, Dialogue With Trypho, a Jew, Ch. 30 (150 A.D.) - "For we call Him (Jesus) Helper and Redeemer, the power of whose name even the demons do fear; and at this day, when they are exorcised in the Name of Jesus Christ, they are overcome."
Dialogue With Trypho, Ch. 76 - "And now we, who believe on our Lord Jesus, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, when we exorcise all demons and evil spirits, have them subjected to us."
Dialogue With Trypho, Ch. 85 - "For every demon, when exorcised in the Name of this very Son of God...is overcome and subdued. But though you exorcise any demon in the name of any of those who were amongst you--either kings, righteous men, or prophets or patriarchs--it will not be subject to you. Now assuredly your (Jewish) exorcists, I have said, make use of this craft when they exorcise, even as the Gentiles do, and employ fumigations and incantations."
Tatian, Address of Tatian to the Greeks, Ch. 16 (160 A.D.) - "Sometimes they themselves (demons) disturb the habit of the body by a tempest of folly; but, being smitten by the Word of God, they depart in terror, and the sick man is healed."
Theophilus, Theophilus to Autolycus, Book II. 8 (160-180 A.D.) - Theophilus is refuting the false teachings of Homer and Hesiod who were famous Greek poets. "...And this clearly appears from the fact, that even to this day the demonized are sometimes exorcised in the Name of the living and true God and these spirits of error themselves confess that they are demons who also formerly inspired these writers (Homer and Hesiod)."
Tertullian, Apology, Ch. 23 (197 A.D.) - "Let a person be brought before your tribunals; who is plainly under demonic possession. The wicked spirit, BIDDEN TO SPEAK by a follower of Christ, will as readily make the truthful confession that he is a demon, as elsewhere he has falsely asserted that he is a god."
Tertullian, Apology, Ch. 37 - "Who would save you (Roman Rulers), I mean, from the attacks of those spirits of evil, which without reward or hire we (Christians) exorcise?"
Tertullian, To Scapula, Ch. 4 - "The clerk of one of the courts who was liable to be thrown upon the ground by an evil spirit, was set free from his affliction (by Christians); as was also the relative of another, and the little boy of a third. How many men of rank (to say nothing of common people) have been DELIVERED from demons, and healed of diseases?"
Minucius Felix, The Octavious of Minucius Felix (210 A.D.) - "A great many, even some of your own people, know all those things that the demons themselves confess concerning themselves, as often as they are driven by us (Christians) from bodies by the torments of our words and by the fires of our prayer." (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. IV, p. 190).
Origen, Against Celsus, Book I, 46 (230-254) A.D.) - "And there are still preserved among Christians traces of that Holy Spirit which appeared in the form of a dove. The Christians expel evil spirits, and perform many cures, and foresee certain events, according to the will of the Logos."
Against Celsus, Book I, 67 - "And the Name of Jesus can still remove distractions from the minds of men, and expel demons, and also take away diseases and produce a complete change of character..."
Lactentius, The Divine Institutes, Book II, 16 (250-320 A.D.) - "But they (demons) fear the righteous, that is, the worshipers of God, adjured by whose name they depart from the bodies (of people); for being lashed by the Christians' words, they not only confess to be demons, but even utter their own names." Also DELIVERANCE is mentioned in Book V., 22, and in The Epitome of the Divine Institutes, Ch. 51. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecturer, 16:12 (350-375 A.D.) - "For He (Holy Spirit) employs the tongue of one man for wisdom; the soul of another He enlightens by prophecy, to another He gives power to drive away demons..."
The Divine Institutes, Book V, 22 - "For these (demons), as long as there is peace among the people of God, flee from the righteous, and fear them; and when they seize upon the bodies of men, and house their souls, they are adjured by the Christians, and at the Name of the true God are put to flight. For when the demons hear of this name they tremble, cry out, and assert that they are branded and beaten; and being asked who they are, whence they are come, and how they have insinuated themselves INTO a man, confess it. Thus, being tortured and excruciated by the power of the Divine Name, they come out of the man."
Until the nation repents John 8:44.
The people worship the same god as the Pharisees.No, Jesus in that passage is answering a particular group of Jews, Pharisees, not speaking of the Jewish people as a whole or of Israel.
Drop back to verse 13 and begin reading from there forward. The context will make the matter crystal clear.
Personal attacks? Try looking in the mirror.Instead of making personal attacks I suggest that you actually READ the Bible and do the study needed to be a workman approved by God.
You are being very hypocritical, accusing me of things that apply to you also.Your "opinions" of casting out demons makes me laugh and actually shows how little you really know about the Scriptures of Gods Word. I am always amazed at people such as yourself who hide behind a computer screen and make accusations and then bold statements that can never be verified.
It's not bragging, just testifying to facts.I would say that if you ever came face to face with a real demon of Stan, you would drop dead in your tracks instead of bragging about having whipped one. That is really funny!!!!
You missed the seventy, non apostles who cast demons out.Mark 3:14........
"He appointed twelve of them, whom He designated as apostles, to accompany Him, to be sent out to preach, 15and to have authority to drive out demons. 16These are the twelve He appointed".
Matthew 7:22-23
"Many will say to me in that day, LORD, LORD, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Not eleven but seventy!!All that means is that hose men could say whatever they wanted to say without any Scriptural support.....just as you do.
The REAL Bible facts are that the only people Jesus Christ gave the authority to cast out demons was the ELEVEN APOSTLES.
There you go again with your theological disinformation, ignoring the fact that Jesus sent another 70 who also cast demons out. Here they are returning.-Mark 16:14-17...........
"Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues".
YOUR name is not found among the ELEVEN!!!
Of course they didn't act arbitrarily and apart from the Holy Spirit, but neither do I or the others who cast demons out. We do it by the power of the Holy Spirit.Regardless of what you have claimed, The BIBLE tells us that Jesus gave the apostles the authority to bind and loose--speak and act under God's authority--as the foundational representatives for the church and to cast out demons. They did not act arbitrarily, nor did they operate apart from the Holy Spirit.
Not eleven but seventy!!
There you go again with your theological disinformation, ignoring the fact that Jesus sent another 70 who also cast demons out. Here they are returning.-
Lk10v17And the seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us through Your name.”
Of course they didn't act arbitrarily and apart from the Holy Spirit, but neither do I or the others who cast demons out. We do it by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Personal attacks? Try looking in the mirror.
You are being very hypocritical, accusing me of things that apply to you also.
It's not bragging, just testifying to facts.
You missed the seventy, non apostles who cast demons out.
Lk10v17And the seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us through Your name.”
This messes up your mythology a bit.
By quoting this against me, you are accusing me of not being a born again believer. That completely breached forum rules, so I suggest you stop immediately!
The point is Christ is not preeminent.
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We were talking about the Jews. If you went into a synagogue, would Jesus be preeminent?Honest to the good Lord. Do you actually have ANY understanding of the Scriptures at all???????
Do you realize that what you say has completely destroyed your crdibility?
Christ IS NOT preeminent?????
Definition of preeminent :
having paramount rank, dignity, or importance : outstanding, supreme
Jesus Christ IS THE PREEMINENT person of all the World!!!!!
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