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I don't think that the Christian faith does well in times of prosperity.
The primary values of America are no longer the sacred, tradition, the family and self-sacrifice, but the profane, personal innovation, the individual and personal advantage.
Yes... those things were indeed evil. But as bad as they were and are, none of them would lead to the extinction of mankind. I suspect, if allowed to continue, because of this behavior, associated behavior, and resultant effects, the species would cease to exist within a century. It is the normalization of this behavior that caused the line to be crossed.
It is not gays. It is the reaction of the land to abominations. The land itself will rise up and cast out the sin. The land is sick and will vomit out the inhabitants.lol wut? That's absurd. The only way the species would cease to exist would be if the entire planet were to turn gay right now, and nobody pursued technological means of procreation. Nuclear war absolutely could lead to the extinction of mankind. Being accommodating of gays will not.
It is not gays. It is the reaction of the land to abominations. The land itself will rise up and cast out the sin. The land is sick and will vomit out the inhabitants.
That’s a problem in some countries , sure, but it’s not an existential problem for the species.But there is the problem of negative population growth, which is already affecting some countries. If the number of children per mother decreases below 2.1, there will not be enough "workers" and taxpayers to replace those who pass. The US is at 1.7. Japan is 1.2. Parts of Europe are 1.5. If not for immigration, some of these would already be losing population. Japan is already losing its population.
I guess, yet in the past it wasn't to the level it is now. If the current state of the USA (and the west in general) is the direct result of the founding virtues of the country, then American Christians should reevaluate their commitment to said vision of the world.Those always were the primary values of America - our founding myth is centered around rugged individualism and autonomy. It's a fundamental part of the fight against the crown and our expansion westward.
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Following Christ is repenting of sin - not just to fellow man, but to yourself & God - & striving towards godliness, for example purity of thoughts, acts, & deeds on a personal level as well. Limiting it to service to fellow man ignores a lot of how we're supposed to act. The best act of loving service you can do & all Christians are asked to do is bring someone to Christ. It's not just giving people things or helping people out b/c materialism solves nothing & most acts we do to others are just temporary: Jesus says to store up treasures eternally. Is America doing this? There's certainly more genuine Christians than what we think, but it's not enough.What does it mean to follow Christ? Isn't it loving service for each other?
So then, how has America failed?
I guess, yet in the past it wasn't to the level it is now.
Well, this is a Christian website, and as a professing Christian, you should know what the scripture says about these things. I suggest the King James version and the RV. ESword is an excellent Bible application for studying the scriptures. I have used it for years.What are you talking about?
I can't stop thinking about the moral decline America has gone through
Very good, but to that I would add there is an overemphasis on God's grace & not enough of his wrath. You only hear about his love, meaning anything goes, meaning no Gospel. The Gospel has been compromised.Christianity is built on the preaching of and knowledge of God's Grace.
So, in the last 150 yrs, this has been replaced by many false theologies that have subverted the Grace of God so that people in 2023, have no idea what this is..
"The Gospel of the Grace of God" that is "Paul's Gospel".
Real Christianity stands on "Grace through faith", and in the end times there is a great apostasy from the Gospel of Grace.
Wooo! Telling it like it is, dzheremi!"nobody can tell ME what to do with MY Bible and MY interpretation of what Christianity REALLY means" spirit, which is definitely not a spirit of obedience to authority as the believer is to show, but fits in perfectly with the American self-conception of all of us as rugged individualists who are pioneering our own ways of life, and throwing off the shackles of _________ (anything that gets in the way of our self-centered, pseudo-enlightened nonsense).
Love the news of the Albigensis , I don't know if I heard of them before -
they had "extensive knowledge (truthfully) of the Scripture" and thus refuted many errors.
I am unable to edit my post, but I had one more thought. If economic prosperity, opportunity and abundance of idolatry options is really the reason for the failure of the church to actively stem the tide of evil, more than the failure of the church itself, than the other thing that could potentially lead to mass acceptance of religion and societal change could be the collapse of America economically. Many of us know from our personal lives that we only turned to God when things got really bad. If America had the rug pulled out from underneath it and had to start eating bugs overnight, maybe the attitude would change without even needing to change faith expressions. However, in the book of Revelation, we see that the majority of humanity curses God despite the plagues falling from heaven being clear proof of his existence. So, it can go either way!
We see so much of the problem of American Christianity™ in this thread with every single person who posts as though because they have a Bible and can read, they know what it's really about, even though their interpretations all contradict each other, and more importantly, contradict the 2,000 years of consistent Christian witness as found in the fathers and mothers of the faith across the world as to what was, is, and always will be normative in the Christian life. This results in a situation where, even though everyone can read and can say that they're "just following the Bible" or whatever, most of the people who take this approach to Christianity don't actually know what they're doing, because it's not based on anything greater than their own private, idiosyncratic interpretation of what a book that was not even meant for them (as it's not meant for any individual to own as their own personal object to use like a dang divining rod in figuring out what's 'really' a part of the religion) says or does not say. Do any of you honestly think that whatever disjunction you're positing between the gospel of this person or that, or that Christianity is disconnected from confession and communion -- even though the scriptures explicitly tell us to participate in both ("Confess your sins to one another", "Unless you eat My flesh and drink My blood, you have no life in you") -- have anything close to a theology let alone praxis that would be in any way recognizable to Christians anywhere in the world before the radical Reformation (not the original reformation, since Luther sought to keep many things that he saw as true in what the RCC of his day practiced and affirmed that later generations of Protestants would throw out for being 'too catholic', like the belief in the real presence of Christ in the sacraments, the affirmation that St. Mary is Theotokos, etc.)?
Put another way: American Christianity (not "Christianity in America") fails because it is absolutely rootless, and there's nothing holding it together or preserving it as being connected to the history of Christianity in any way whatsoever, and the American Christians who continue on in this puddle-deep approach to their own faith actually see that as some kind of asset, somehow....well, not really "somehow", as though we can't know how, but because this is what marks it as the most American of religions, with its "nobody can tell ME what to do with MY Bible and MY interpretation of what Christianity REALLY means" spirit, which is definitely not a spirit of obedience to authority as the believer is to show, but fits in perfectly with the American self-conception of all of us as rugged individualists who are pioneering our own ways of life, and throwing off the shackles of _________ (anything that gets in the way of our self-centered, pseudo-enlightened nonsense). You all remember that from the scripture, right? How Philip encouraged the Ethiopian to read whatever he wanted into the scriptures, because it is his sacred right to believe in whatever nonsense he wants to and brand that as Christianity, if it seems to be so to him, regardless of how whatever he would come up with stacks up against what the actual Christian community teaches, believes, and practices?
And to anyone who might feel the need to respond to this as though I have just personally attacked them, two things: (1) If the shoe fits, you ought to wear it, and (2) "I do said, not know" is perhaps the greatest single statement ever made outside of the scriptures themselves regarding how to read and understand the scriptures in our daily lives. Abba Anthony praised Abba Joseph for coming to that conclusion, and we ought to as well, and more than that, we ought to do the same. It is amazing how much time and energy you can free up to actually do things when you embrace that your intellect and ego is not the center of the gosh-danged universe. American Christianity's™ fatal flaw is that because it is in theory 'Bible-only' (though there are enough best-selling Evangelical-authored commentaries of various sorts to show that it is not so in practice), the reply to all this is more likely to be "Abba who? What does a Swedish disco group from the 70s have to do with Christianity?" (or probably some complaint about how the post is too long to read) than actually considering that anything from before they were alive could in any way be instructive in the normative belief and practice of the Christian faith. (With certain exceptions possibly made for things like a favorite reference Bible from the 1800s or a radio preacher from the 1940s or whatever they feel ought to be the exception to not listening to anyone about anything.)
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