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Why has Canada done better than the U.S. in the pandemic? Apparently by listening to the scientists.
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<blockquote data-quote="Ana the Ist" data-source="post: 75163293" data-attributes="member: 302807"><p>Relative success....sure.</p><p></p><p>I think the problem with public perception on the virus is that there's basically 3 different types of sources people are getting info from...</p><p></p><p>1. Health experts. Probably the most confusing because they're scientists and doctors...but they have an agenda as well. That agenda is to present the information about the virus in a way that's helpful. This can lead to a false optimism because they have an incentive for downplaying how bad it really is. </p><p></p><p>2. Politicians. They obviously have an agenda, especially given that this is an election year. </p><p></p><p>3. The media in general...more motivated by telling people whatever will grab the biggest audience than anything. </p><p></p><p>To me, it's clear that the big picture is worse than anyone wants to admit....because there's no upside to admitting it. If you look at the statements of scientists and experts who aren't a part of some national or international health organization like the CDC or WHO...you can sort of piece together the extent of this....</p><p></p><p>Some things I think are probably facts at this point....</p><p></p><p>1. A vaccine isn't likely anytime really soon. The really optimistic voices say 1-2 years....the least optimistic say possibly never. I'd have to guess that if a vaccine is coming....that's probably 3+ years away.</p><p></p><p>2. This is highly contagious and difficult to predict. Some people spread it a lot....others hardly at all. Masks, regular washing, social distancing work to reduce transmission....but they have to be used together and they aren't 100% effective. It's still going to infect people regardless. </p><p></p><p>3. There's a realistic point where damage to the economy becomes severe enough to increase transmission. People losing their homes and jobs will create more carriers and less ability to prevent transmission. Prolonged stress on any nation's healthcare system will likewise create transmission problems. Protective gear will run out, nurses and emts will get burned out, and patients will be left exposed. </p><p></p><p>4. Long term damage from the virus will potentially leave a significant number of people vulnerable to other infections....increasing the strain on healthcare and the economy. </p><p></p><p>5. Near total control of who is able to enter a nation is a huge factor in controlling the virus' impact. </p><p></p><p>6. When you add all these things up....I think the unfortunately reality is that millions of people will die worldwide and that's probably unavoidable. </p><p></p><p>7. Judging success at this point is a waste of time. This is a marathon...not a sprint. We're barely through the second mile and people are second guessing every decision everyone makes. In South Korea...healthcare workers are still strained and working around the clock to contain this. Australia sees outbreaks as soon as they reopen businesses. No economy can shut down forever and no government can indefinitely hand out money to citizens to keep them home. Businesses and public services like schools will have to reopen...and when they do both the number of cases and death tolls will climb and there's ultimately no perfect way to prevent it.</p><p></p><p>We're going to need to be several years past the end of this thing before we can judge who dealt with it the best. A nation may have the lowest virus death toll....but if the damage to their economy leaves millions in poverty, the death toll from that may offset the losses from the virus. It's too hard to judge honestly at this point...and anyone saying they can, or they have all the right answers, probably has an agenda to push.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ana the Ist, post: 75163293, member: 302807"] Relative success....sure. I think the problem with public perception on the virus is that there's basically 3 different types of sources people are getting info from... 1. Health experts. Probably the most confusing because they're scientists and doctors...but they have an agenda as well. That agenda is to present the information about the virus in a way that's helpful. This can lead to a false optimism because they have an incentive for downplaying how bad it really is. 2. Politicians. They obviously have an agenda, especially given that this is an election year. 3. The media in general...more motivated by telling people whatever will grab the biggest audience than anything. To me, it's clear that the big picture is worse than anyone wants to admit....because there's no upside to admitting it. If you look at the statements of scientists and experts who aren't a part of some national or international health organization like the CDC or WHO...you can sort of piece together the extent of this.... Some things I think are probably facts at this point.... 1. A vaccine isn't likely anytime really soon. The really optimistic voices say 1-2 years....the least optimistic say possibly never. I'd have to guess that if a vaccine is coming....that's probably 3+ years away. 2. This is highly contagious and difficult to predict. Some people spread it a lot....others hardly at all. Masks, regular washing, social distancing work to reduce transmission....but they have to be used together and they aren't 100% effective. It's still going to infect people regardless. 3. There's a realistic point where damage to the economy becomes severe enough to increase transmission. People losing their homes and jobs will create more carriers and less ability to prevent transmission. Prolonged stress on any nation's healthcare system will likewise create transmission problems. Protective gear will run out, nurses and emts will get burned out, and patients will be left exposed. 4. Long term damage from the virus will potentially leave a significant number of people vulnerable to other infections....increasing the strain on healthcare and the economy. 5. Near total control of who is able to enter a nation is a huge factor in controlling the virus' impact. 6. When you add all these things up....I think the unfortunately reality is that millions of people will die worldwide and that's probably unavoidable. 7. Judging success at this point is a waste of time. This is a marathon...not a sprint. We're barely through the second mile and people are second guessing every decision everyone makes. In South Korea...healthcare workers are still strained and working around the clock to contain this. Australia sees outbreaks as soon as they reopen businesses. No economy can shut down forever and no government can indefinitely hand out money to citizens to keep them home. Businesses and public services like schools will have to reopen...and when they do both the number of cases and death tolls will climb and there's ultimately no perfect way to prevent it. We're going to need to be several years past the end of this thing before we can judge who dealt with it the best. A nation may have the lowest virus death toll....but if the damage to their economy leaves millions in poverty, the death toll from that may offset the losses from the virus. It's too hard to judge honestly at this point...and anyone saying they can, or they have all the right answers, probably has an agenda to push. [/QUOTE]
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