Why gay marriage cannot be validated by the state.

[BAFRIEND]

Jesus gives his teaching on divorce very clearly in the New Testament.

We know that govenment allows divorce for reasons that go against what Jesus himself teaches. For instance, California has marriage dissolution, etc. .

Now, as Christians do we take it upon ourselves to see divorce outside of Our Saviors teachings to be valid ?

Why, of course not.

So, why do some here promote that gay marriage be valid because of a government decree ?

We all know that the Bible and Jesus only refer to marriage specifically as being between a man and a woman and there is not single example- in the thousands of years of history the Bible covers of a homosexual marriage. In fact Corinthians 6:9 specifically states that offenders will not see the kingdom and Paul himself warns about those who are sexually immoral.

Especially in early Christianity we have seen the witness of martyrs stand up against governments- in the late 1850s more than 500,000 Christians were beheaded in Vietnam for refusing to step on the cross and deny Christ.

So why would anyone claiming to be a Christian be so willing to trample Christ's teaching by promoting the state as being above the Savior ?

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[FaithLikeARock]

You bring up a good point.

Why are you fighting something that's not legal yet when something far more destructive is already legal? Do you like wasting time?

 

[BAFRIEND]

You bring up a good point.

Why are you fighting something that's not legal yet when something far more destructive is already legal? Do you like wasting time?

First, gay "marriage" is legal in some jurisidictions now so you are wrong on that point.

Second- you have no place telling me or lecturing me on what is the more relevent moral issues and where my time is best spent.

Third- if you are referring to abortion you can go to OBOB and see that I just created a thread on that thirty minutes prior to your response.

No, this is not where I make most of my posts and threads.

 

[spinningtutu]

Oh see...
gay marriage should be legal so that homosexuals can be held to the standard of faithfulness and _not_ getting a divorce (like everyone else)...
legalized gay marriage would serve as encouragement for a higher ethical order amongst the lgb community, not a lesser one

 

[BAFRIEND]

Oh see...
gay marriage should be legal so that homosexuals can be held to the standard of faithfulness and _not_ getting a divorce (like everyone else)...
legalized gay marriage would serve as encouragement for a higher ethical order amongst the lgb community, not a lesser one

That is an interesting point of view.

I believe that homosexuality is an objective moral disorder so I could never see an ethical order within that community.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Jesus gives his teaching on divorce very clearly in the New Testament.

We know that govenment allows divorce for reasons that go against what Jesus himself teaches. For instance, California has marriage dissolution, etc. .

Now, as Christians do we take it upon ourselves to see divorce outside of Our Saviors teachings to be valid ?

Why, of course not.

So who has the highest divorce rate?

Oh yeah conservative Christians

So this would make them hypocrites. Can you explain why anyone would listen to hypocrites discuss justifications for prejudice and discrimination?

So, why do some here promote that gay marriage be valid because of a government decree ?

Just like interracial marriage is valid by governmental decree.

There are those religiously opposed to interracial marriage. and it is fascinating to note that the arguments against interracial marriage are identical to the arguments against same sex marriage

We all know that the Bible and Jesus only refer to marriage specifically as being between a man and a woman and there is not single example- in the thousands of years of history the Bible covers of a homosexual marriage.

How interesting that you wish to invoke Jesus help defend your petty personal prejudice when at the same time you ignore Jesus’ commandment denouncing prejudice

In fact Corinthians 6:9 specifically states that offenders will not see the kingdom and Paul himself warns about those who are sexually immoral.

If only there was some evidence that 1 Cor says anything of the sort, but there is not. there is no evidence that the Greek word arsenokoties meant homosexual or something akin to it.

Especially in early Christianity we have seen the witness of martyrs stand up against governments-

And how many non-Christians did those early Christians murder?

in the late 1850s more than 500,000 Christians were beheaded in Vietnam for refusing to step on the cross and deny Christ.

I think you have your dates wrong…and the religion of the martyred as well

So why would anyone claiming to be a Christian be so willing to trample Christ's teaching by promoting the state as being above the Savior ?

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I have asked you that often. Why would anyone claiming to be Christian ignore Christ and his teachings just to peruse discrimination?

 

[BAFRIEND]

in the late 1850s more than 500,000 Christians were beheaded in Vietnam for refusing to step on the cross and deny Christ.

I think you have your dates wrong…and the religion of the martyred as well

From 1832 Minh-Mang excluded all foreign missionaries and ordered Vietnamese Christians to renounce Christianity by trampling on the crucifix. meanwhile churches were to be destroyed and teaching Christianity forbidden. Very many suffered death or extreme hardship.

I don't stereotype people based on their ethnicity or race nor do I make up historical facts that can easily be verified.

Just because they are Asians does not mean they are not Christians or are soley Budhists.

The tortures these individuals underwent were among the worst in the history of Christian martyrdom. The means included cutting off limbs joint by joint, ripping living bodies with red hot tongs, and use of drugs to enslave the minds of the victims. Christians at the time were branded on the face with the words "ta dao" and families and villages which subscribed to Christianity were obliterated

Source: wikipedia Vietnamese Martyrs

 

[BigBadWlf]

From 1832 Minh-Mang excluded all foreign missionaries and ordered Vietnamese Christians to renounce Christianity by trampling on the crucifix. meanwhile churches were to be destroyed and teaching Christianity forbidden. Very many suffered death or extreme hardship.

Wrong date
Not 500,000

I don't stereotype people based on their ethnicity or race nor do I make up historical facts that can easily be verified.

But in pursuit of justification for your prejudice and for discrimination you do use arguments that are indistinguishable from those used by racists in their pursuit for justification of prejudice and for discrimination

“Discrimination is discrimination, no matter who the victim is, and it is always wrong. There are no ‘special rights’ in America, despite the attempts by many to divide blacks and the gay community with the argument that the latter are seeking some imaginary ‘special rights’ at the expense of blacks.”
Julian Bond – Chair of the NAACP

 

[BAFRIEND]

“Discrimination is discrimination, no matter who the victim is, and it is always wrong. There are no ‘special rights’ in America, despite the attempts by many to divide blacks and the gay community with the argument that the latter are seeking some imaginary ‘special rights’ at the expense of blacks.”
Julian Bond – Chair of the NAACP

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders … (1Cor 6:9)

It is not my burden to have to defend the position that the gay lifestyle is a sin. God has already decreed it in the Bible.

The Lord is my Shepherd not the chair of the NAACP or any other political organization.

 

[BAFRIEND]

But in pursuit of justification for your prejudice and for discrimination you do use arguments that are indistinguishable from those used by racists in their pursuit for justification of prejudice and for discrimination

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

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[BigBadWlf]

The Lord is my Shepherd not the chair of the NAACP or any other political organization.

Your denial does not change the fact that the arguments you use to justify personal prejudice and discrimination are indistinguishable form the arguments used to justify prejudice and discrimination against blacks

 

[BAFRIEND]

Your denial does not change the fact that the arguments you use to justify personal prejudice and discrimination are indistinguishable form the arguments used to justify prejudice and discrimination against blacks

Blacks were/are discriminated against on the basis of the color of their skin. That is called racism.

My prejudice and discrimination against people who lead gaylifestyles stems from their sin which IMO is an insult to God.

Is that distinguishable enouph for you ?

Hate the sin love the sinner.

 

[Somelier]

Blacks were discriminated on the basis of the color of their skin. My prejudice and discrimination against people who lead gaylifestyles stems from their sin which IMO is an insult to God.

All are created by God AS THEY ARE: black, white, gay, straight. How dare you call God's own handiwork and insult to Him?

Hate the sin love the sinner.

Yeah - let's see a show of hands of who feels "loved" by the hateful words of "christians."

Love is a decision and an action - you either show it or you don't.

 

[BAFRIEND]

All are created by God AS THEY ARE: black, white, gay, straight. How dare you call God's own handiwork and insult to Him?




Yeah - let's see a show of hands of who feels "loved" by the hateful words of "christians."

Love is a decision and an action - you either show it or you don't.

There are children who are born without arms- I don't blame God for that nor do I bleieve God made them that way. In the same way I do not feel God created a homosexual orientation or draws anyone into a gaylifestyle.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Love is a decision and an action - you either show it or you don't.

I don't condone sin nor scandalize morals nor accept the desecration of my religion by relativists for the sake of showing love, sorry.

 

[Somelier]

There are children who are born without arms- I don't blame God for that nor do I bleieve God made them that way. In the same way I do not feel God created a homosexual orientation or draws anyone into a gaylifestyle.

The gay people I know do not "BLAME" God for being gay - au contraire - they are graeful!

 

[Somelier]

I don't condone sin nor scandalize morals nor accept the desecration of my religion by relativists for the sake of showing love, sorry.

nobody's asking you to "desecrate your religion."

Christ is calling you to seek and serve him in your brothers and sisters.

If you cannot do so, you have no business preaching a gospel he never preached, nor will he accept.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Blacks were/are discriminated against on the basis of the color of their skin. That is called racism.

My prejudice and discrimination against people who lead gaylifestyles stems from their sin which IMO is an insult to God.

Is that distinguishable enouph for you ?

Incorrect. Racists do not hate individuals because of the color of their sin but rather nor all blacks people rather they take issue with the sin of racial equality that some blacks engage in


As noted the arguments used to justify one are indistinguishable form arguments used to justify the other.

Hate the sin love the sinner.

Yes that is something racists say. they hate the sin of blacks pretending or claiming to be equal to whites but they love blacks who know their place

 

[Catholicon]

That is an interesting point of view.

I believe that homosexuality is an objective moral disorder so I could never see an ethical order within that community.

Then technically that makes you a bigot.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Blacks were/are discriminated against on the basis of the color of their skin. That is called racism.

My prejudice and discrimination against people who lead gaylifestyles stems from their sin which IMO is an insult to God.

Is that distinguishable enouph for you ?

Hate the sin love the sinner.

Discrimination is never acceptable, we're called to respond to sinful activity in a different way while always standing on the truth and remembering that we're not perfect either. But it doesn't matter actually, since I'd be called hateful and a bigot either way. But I'll stick to my methods.