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<blockquote data-quote="John 1720" data-source="post: 72443918" data-attributes="member: 323755"><p><span style="color: #0059b3">Personally I believe the evidence is all around us. I also believe our endowed reason also points us to God. However, it sounds like you believe God needs to somehow provide us with more convincing proofs in order to for you to believe that He is. Clearly the God of the Bible desires us to walk by faith not by sight and He has good and just reasons to do so.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0b0817"><a href="http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=1&t=NKJV#17" target="_blank"><u>Rom 1:17</u></a> For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, <em>“The just shall live by faith.”</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #0b0817"><a href="http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gal&c=3&t=NKJV#11" target="_blank">Gal 3:11</a> But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God <em>is</em> evident, for <em>“the just shall live by faith.”</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #0b0817"><a href="http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Heb&c=10&t=NKJV#38" target="_blank">Heb 10:38</a> <em>Now</em> <em>the</em> <em>just shall live by faith; But if</em> <em>anyone</em> <em>draws back,</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #0b0817"><em>My soul has no pleasure in him.”</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #0b0817"><a href="http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Hab&c=2&t=NKJV#4" target="_blank">Hab 2:4</a> “Behold the proud, His soul is not upright in him; But the just shall live by faith</span></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3">An analogy of this position of need physical empirical proofs for God might be akin to someone that rejects the existence of "love" because they don't see it. Let's see what can be gleaned from a hypothetical conversation between a supporter or believer in love and a rejector or protagonist that denies its existence:</span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Supporter: "Surely you believe that love exists my friend, do you not?"</li> </ul><p>Protagonist: "Why should I? I have never seen love", says the unbeliever.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Supporter: "But sir the evidence of love is all around you. Do you not see it with parents and children, husbands and wives, and in those willing to sacrifice their lives for others?</li> </ul><p>Protagonist: "The actions and motivations of others are highly complex and do not prove there is such a thing called love".</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Supporter: "There is self motivation in human nature to be sure but I think you are short sighted not to see that there exists outwardly unselfish giving and sacrificial love in people from the heart.</li> </ul><p>Protagonist: "If love exists what does its physical substance then look like?"</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Supporter: "Love has an invisible quality. It has no color or substance and yet manifests itself in every color and shade of the rainbow. It is unseeable yet more beautiful than any vision of the physical senses.</li> </ul><p>Protagonist: "I believe that you believe in Love but why should I believe in what I have not seen. Why should I believe in this invisible quality of love?"</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Supporter: "Well I could make inferences out of my own experience my friend that I believe show you are missing out in happiness of life by not knowing love. However, to your own detriment I fear that may not be the way to convince you of love's existence. Perhaps the only way for you to know love is to experience it directly for yourself. I believe we all have the capacity to love, even if we have not experienced it or are blind to it. I would therefore recommend that you attempt to fall in love my friend. Why don't you try to love another and then come back to finish our discussion after your attempt to see if you can discover love."</li> </ul><p><span style="color: #0000b3">We must be able to sense the spiritual beyond the physical and the invisible that points to all that is visible to the senses. I once was lost but now I'm found; was blind but now I see.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000023">As Christians we are told to give testimony to the hope within us</span></p><p><span style="color: #000035"><a href="http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Pe&c=3&t=NKJV#15" target="_blank">1Pe 3:15</a> But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always <em>be</em> ready to <em>give</em> a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;</span></p><p><span style="color: #000035"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0059b3">But most in the world didn't listen to Jesus and so I also believe most are not going to listen to His followers either, since the servant is not greater than the Master. However, my personal joy, which I share with Jesus, is that some from every nation or ethne "will" embrace the Gospel and become partakers in the body of Christ by falling deeply in love with Jesus! I have no illusions that many will never know Him and so this journey is bittersweet to us. Despite this love demands the telling for Christ's sake. It's the sacred heart that propels us in the cause of Jesus, no matter how many time we are despised and rejected, or suffer persecution for the Name.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000023"><a href="http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=11&t=NKJV#comm/15" target="_blank"><u>Mat 11:15</u></a> "He who has ears to hear, let him hear! "But to what shall I liken this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their companions, "and saying:'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance;</span></p><p><span style="color: #000023">we mourned to you, and you did not lament.'</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John 1720, post: 72443918, member: 323755"] [COLOR=#0059b3]Personally I believe the evidence is all around us. I also believe our endowed reason also points us to God. However, it sounds like you believe God needs to somehow provide us with more convincing proofs in order to for you to believe that He is. Clearly the God of the Bible desires us to walk by faith not by sight and He has good and just reasons to do so.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0b0817][URL='http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=1&t=NKJV#17'][U]Rom 1:17[/U][/URL] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, [I]“The just shall live by faith.”[/I] [URL='http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gal&c=3&t=NKJV#11']Gal 3:11[/URL] But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God [I]is[/I] evident, for [I]“the just shall live by faith.”[/I] [URL='http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Heb&c=10&t=NKJV#38']Heb 10:38[/URL] [I]Now[/I] [I]the[/I] [I]just shall live by faith; But if[/I] [I]anyone[/I] [I]draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.”[/I] [URL='http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Hab&c=2&t=NKJV#4']Hab 2:4[/URL] “Behold the proud, His soul is not upright in him; But the just shall live by faith[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0059b3] An analogy of this position of need physical empirical proofs for God might be akin to someone that rejects the existence of "love" because they don't see it. Let's see what can be gleaned from a hypothetical conversation between a supporter or believer in love and a rejector or protagonist that denies its existence:[/COLOR] [LIST] [*]Supporter: "Surely you believe that love exists my friend, do you not?" [/LIST] Protagonist: "Why should I? I have never seen love", says the unbeliever. [LIST] [*]Supporter: "But sir the evidence of love is all around you. Do you not see it with parents and children, husbands and wives, and in those willing to sacrifice their lives for others? [/LIST] Protagonist: "The actions and motivations of others are highly complex and do not prove there is such a thing called love". [LIST] [*]Supporter: "There is self motivation in human nature to be sure but I think you are short sighted not to see that there exists outwardly unselfish giving and sacrificial love in people from the heart. [/LIST] Protagonist: "If love exists what does its physical substance then look like?" [LIST] [*]Supporter: "Love has an invisible quality. It has no color or substance and yet manifests itself in every color and shade of the rainbow. It is unseeable yet more beautiful than any vision of the physical senses. [/LIST] Protagonist: "I believe that you believe in Love but why should I believe in what I have not seen. Why should I believe in this invisible quality of love?" [LIST] [*]Supporter: "Well I could make inferences out of my own experience my friend that I believe show you are missing out in happiness of life by not knowing love. However, to your own detriment I fear that may not be the way to convince you of love's existence. Perhaps the only way for you to know love is to experience it directly for yourself. I believe we all have the capacity to love, even if we have not experienced it or are blind to it. I would therefore recommend that you attempt to fall in love my friend. Why don't you try to love another and then come back to finish our discussion after your attempt to see if you can discover love." [/LIST] [COLOR=#0000b3]We must be able to sense the spiritual beyond the physical and the invisible that points to all that is visible to the senses. I once was lost but now I'm found; was blind but now I see.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000017][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000023]As Christians we are told to give testimony to the hope within us[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000035][URL='http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Pe&c=3&t=NKJV#15']1Pe 3:15[/URL] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always [I]be[/I] ready to [I]give[/I] a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; [/COLOR] [COLOR=#0059b3]But most in the world didn't listen to Jesus and so I also believe most are not going to listen to His followers either, since the servant is not greater than the Master. However, my personal joy, which I share with Jesus, is that some from every nation or ethne "will" embrace the Gospel and become partakers in the body of Christ by falling deeply in love with Jesus! I have no illusions that many will never know Him and so this journey is bittersweet to us. Despite this love demands the telling for Christ's sake. It's the sacred heart that propels us in the cause of Jesus, no matter how many time we are despised and rejected, or suffer persecution for the Name.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000023][URL='http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=11&t=NKJV#comm/15'][U]Mat 11:15[/U][/URL] "He who has ears to hear, let him hear! "But to what shall I liken this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their companions, "and saying:'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we mourned to you, and you did not lament.'[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000b3][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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