PsychoSarah
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No, we have transitional fossils, but the transitional species between humans and chimpanzees, as well as between humans and other creatures, are now extinct.
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no one is saying it is. I simply am asking for a hybrid or any transition to prove your point, now you can attack hybrids, and transitions and the definition of macro evolution, but you still come up short. With no evidence.
No, we have transitional fossils, but the transitional species between humans and chimpanzees, as well as between humans and other creatures, are now extinct.
yes but photos have not been submitted for examination or anything. What are you afraid of, that they may be proven wrong? Such is the scientific method. Intellectual honesty requires us to place all our beliefs on the table and examine them regularly if they are true or not. Be honest.
Wrong.well then you would simply be wrong. A hybrid is a transition between kinds, species, genra and the like.
Right. You provided a definition that does not say that hybrids are "transitions" between species.
Well, it can be interpreted that way by someone who doesn't read English. Is English not your native language? You are certainly showing difficulty reading ordinary English sentences.and thus you would have to retract this statment that can be interpreted as you not believing in observations of macroevolution of any kind. If you do believe, please provide one.
well then you would simply be wrong. A hybrid is a transition between kinds, species, genra and the like.
and thus you would have to retract this statment that can be interpreted as you not believing in observations of macroevolution of any kind.
then please provide one observation, for scrutiny.
Thanks Otherwise we will take your word for it, namely that observations cannot exist for macroevolution.
Then the next was my opinion, a hybrid between two already proving common ancestry.
you spelled my name wrong. secondly the traditional link for evolution is a hybrid between ape and man. these are separate populations. but as I have stated repeatedly you can choose as many hybrid steps as you wish as long as common ancestry is intact. and thats the difficult thing to do. so please educate me. give me evidence for macroevolution.You have it completely backwards.....how surprising...
A 'parent' species will divide to produce 'daughter' species.....NOT two species combining to form a 'hybrid'...
Get yourself an education...!
For anyone tempted to be influenced by Gardy's incoherent rambling, here is an analogy...
Let's suppose your ancestors were Irish....an original clan found only in that country, speaking the native Celtic tongue and living an Irish life style.
After some time, the clan 'splits', with one section migrating to the US and another to Australia. After several generations, each of the migrant populations has changed considerably....language, life styles, modes of work, etc. In fact, given enough time, the only features linking the two 'splits' to the original clan are their surnames... Otherwise, it would seem that there are 3 completely separate and quite different groups of people...
The descent of species is similar in principle, if not in a species or reproductive sense...
A population of a particular species becomes divided for some reason...each of the two divided groups continues to reproduce, each with their own genetic variations which are passed down, added to, and modified over many, many generations.... This eventually results in the two groups being markedly different from each other, and from the original species...
Its a very simplified analogy and it isnt completely appropriate, but I think it approaches something that would be useful in aiding understanding....
you spelled my name wrong.
secondly the traditional link for evolution is a hybrid between ape and man.
these are separate populations. but as I have stated repeatedly you can choose as many hybrid steps as you wish as long as common ancestry is intact. and thats the difficult thing to do. so please educate me. give me evidence for macroevolution.
this question is arbitrary since we are all the same species. secondly macroevolution is above the species level so that would also make your analogy false. look at lucy, a transition allegedly between two genra. any more questions?Let's put this in terms that gradyll might understand.
Your father is transitional between you and your grandfather. Does this mean that you should be able to mate with your cousin and produce your father?
this question is arbitrary since we are all the same species. secondly macroevolution is above the species level so that would also make your analogy false. look at lucy, a transition allegedly between two genra. any more questions?
look at lucy, a transition allegedly between two genra. any more questions?
secondly the traditional link for evolution is a hybrid between ape and man.
this question is arbitrary since we are all the same species. secondly macroevolution is above the species level so that would also make your analogy false. look at lucy, a transition allegedly between two genra. any more questions?
No you are wrong. Macroevolution is *at* or above speciation. If you have speciation, you have macroevolution.secondly macroevolution is above the species level so that would also make your analogy false.
Originally Posted by gradyll
No you are wrong. Macroevolution is *at* or above speciation. If you have speciation, you have macroevolution.
The important part is not that they are from different Genus' but that as speciation occurs you have basically two separate and discrete populations (parent & daugher) that are unlikely to crossbreed any further into the future.
As the populations diverge and become increasingly genetically isolated it allows for each population to accrue new mutations & selection on those mutations as differential reproduction takes over.
When you look at A.Afarensis (that Lucy is one specimen of) you can observe that where those species are found in the geological layers (biostratigraphy) is consistent with common ancestry. When you look at the overall morphology of that species and others of the same Genus you find Apes that share a number of features that are midway between the Homo and Afarensis Genus'.
I believe you are in fact the one mistaken here:
as the generic sites usually will say "at or above the level of species," but the more technical sites like UC Berkley say "above the level of species".
Above the level of species is when you have two species where there used to be one. Speciation is macroevolution. More to the point, speciation is all that evolution requires to produce the biodiversity we see today.
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