why dont we like this?

[Theophorus]

I can see in some instances where it might be taken as deragatory, but I would think that the term western church, or rite, would maybe seem more so, not clearly making the distinction between Catholocism and the reformers. And the term latin church would seem to be maybe a little antiquated, or reduce the catholicity, not emphasising the universal nature of the communion.

 

[BornCath]

being called Roman Catholic...why is it basically like being slapped in the face?

Your name is Chrystal. With no disrepect, if I call you Broken Chrystal, would you not object? Jesus founded the Church which He wanted to be the Church of all nation & people(irrespective of race), of all time since its founding, and of all doctrine that He taught His apostles. The early church father Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, called the Church Catholic in the yr. 107 AD. For !,500 years the Church had always been called by its short name The Catholic Church. Then during the 16th century, the protestants invented the name Roman Catholic along with Romish, Papist, & Recussant. If you were one of the Catholics who lived during those days, would you not be insulted? Let's honor our departed fellow Catholics who lived then by continuing to call our Church by its proper name - The Catholic Church. Rumble & Carty, the noted protestant theologians who converted to Catholicism & later became priests objected to the name Roman Catholic because it would confirm the protestants' wrong notion that there are other Catholics other than the Catholics who are in communion with Rome. Some modern day protestants even make the ridiculous claim that they are part of the Catholic Church which makes them the true Catholics and us Roman Catholics, the false Catholics. Unconsciously, Catholics of Roman rite who use the name Roman Catholic are really confirming the protestants of their erroneous claim. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is available online at the Vatican website or read the CCC printed book from cover to cover & try searching the name Roman Catholic & you will not find it. Why? Because the name Roman Catholic was never officially used & never will be officially used by The Catholic Church. Catholic means universal & universal means no boundary or unlimited as opposed to local or limited. Putting the limiting word Roman in front of Catholic is absurd because one can never limit what is unlimited or localized what is universal. The name Roman Catholic aside from insulting & dishonoring our departed forefathers is also a contradiction in terms. It is equivalent to calling the Church 'Limited Unlimited Church' or 'Local Universal Church'. I read somewhere that the long name of the Catholic Church is The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church. Note the position of the word Roman which is immediately before Church & Catholic is before Apostolic & Roman. Let us refer to our Jesus Christ founded & Holy Spirit led Church as The Catholic Church to honor our faithfully departed fellow Catholics who knew their & our Church by no other name than The Catholic Church. Let us also continue to call our Church by its traditional name The Catholic Church to emphsize that ours is the only Church that Jesus founded.

 

[Anthony]

being called Roman Catholic...why is it basically like being slapped in the face?

The problem is people walk around calling themselves Catholic while other people walk around calling themselves Christians. The "impression" non-catholics have of Catholics is they see themselves as more complete. Also Catholics seem to never refer themselves as Christians, only as Catholics.

 

[Paul S]

Another reason some people don't like "Roman Catholic" is because it was originally used to distinguish the Roman Catholics from the English Catholics - the Anglicans, who still saw themselves as Catholic, just following the king instead of the pope. And like people said, it became a derogatory term. It also excludes the Eastern Catholics, who (rightfully) don't like being called Roman, since they aren't.

I prefer just "Catholic", but don't mind "Roman" being added if it isn't intended in a derogatory way, and it usually isn't. I rarely say the Catholic Church, though, but refer to her simply as the Church, since there's only one true church, the one founded by God Himself.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

The problem is people walk around calling themselves Catholic while other people walk around calling themselves Christians. The "impression" non-catholics have of Catholics is they see themselves as more complete. Also Catholics seem to never refer themselves as Christians, only as Catholics.

i dont understand how this explains why we dont like being called Roman Catholic at times. i dont know if you're Catholic or not bc your icon is the general christian icon, but judging by your comments, id say no, so you really have no business posting in this thread.

 

[Anthony]

i dont understand how this explains why we dont like being called Roman Catholic at times. i dont know if you're Catholic or not bc your icon is the general christian icon, but judging by your comments, id say no, so you really have no business posting in this thread.

I was a practicing catholic for 40 years (more than 2 times your age), married in the catholic church, an alter boy (latin mass), went to catholic school, etc etc.

Growing up I never heard us referred to as Christians. Catholics were Catholics and Christians where Protestants.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

first of all Catholics are Christians...please do not suggest that they're not...2nd of all you could spend you're entire life practicing a faith and die still not knowing everything about it

 

[KennySe]

I also was an altar boy.

One of the songs that I recall from my childhood is: "They'll Know We Are Christians".

I admit that I do not remember all of the lyrics, so I searched online and here it is.

We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
We are one in the Spirit, we are one in the Lord
And we pray that all unity may one day be restored
And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
They will know we are Christians by our love

We will work with each other, we will work side by side
We will work with each other, we will work side by side
And we'll guard each one's dignity and save each one's pride
And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
They will know we are Christians by our love

By our love, by our love

And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
They will know we are Christians by our love

We will walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand
We will walk with each other, we will walk hand in hand
And together we'll spread the news that God is in our land
And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
They will know we are Christians by our love

By our love, by our love

And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
They will know we are Christians by our love​

I had Baltimore Catechism at home, and good nuns and priests at grade school who were very kind, and clear that we were Christians.

 

[bigsierra]

I was a practicing catholic for 40 years (more than 2 times your age), married in the catholic church, an alter boy (latin mass), went to catholic school, etc etc.

Growing up I never heard us referred to as Christians. Catholics were Catholics and Christians where Protestants.

If you left, it's clear you missed something that converts such as Crystal and myself are seeing.

 

[Anthony]

first of all Catholics are Christians...please do not suggest that they're not...2nd of all you could spend you're entire life practicing a faith and die still not knowing everything about it

I'm not



I talking about how people precieve things, and use labels.

 

[Anthony]

If you left, it's clear you missed something that converts such as Crystal and myself are seeing.

What does that have to do with the discussion?

I thought we were have a simple discussion of names and labels people put on each other and on themselves.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

I'm not



I talking about how people precieve things, and use labels.

then i apologize for my misunderstanding....but if you would read what you posted im sure you will see where i got that idea...you said Catholics were called Catholics and Christians were Protestants...it seemed to me that you were trying to say that we're not Christians without coming out and saying it...but i do apologize for misunderstanding it.

 

[Miss Shelby]

I'm not



I talking about how people precieve things, and use labels.

The perceptions that you have, Anthony, exist only in your mind.

Catholics call themselves Christians all the time, if you haven't ever witnessed this you're not looking too hard. It's probably because you're never even around Catholics enough to know.

Do not come into this thread and suggest one more time that Catholics separate themselves from the Christian population to appear better than the rest of the Christians or I just might see that as a violation of the rules.

Michelle

 

[CrystalBrooke]

What does that have to do with the discussion?

I thought we were have a simple discussion of names and labels people put on each other and on themselves.

yes, we (Catholics) were.


also see my custom title...im not seperating myself just bc im Catholic.

 

[EllenMoran]

I've heard people say "I'm Methodist" or "I'm Baptist" all the time, so I'd disagree with the contention that Catholics are the only group of Christians that self-identify by the group's name (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.).

 

[bigsierra]

I've heard some say they were PenteMethoBaptisterian, to show how ecumenical they were.

 

[Miss Shelby]

I've heard people say "I'm Methodist" or "I'm Baptist" all the time, so I'd disagree with the contention that Catholics are the only group of Christians that self-identify by the group's name (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.).

Can you imagine going into the Baptist forum and saying 'hey... why do you call yourselves Baptists? You separatists. You think you're better than everybody. Why don't you just call yourselves Christian!'

Oh yeah that'd fly. Right to report button.

Michelle

 

[Anthony]

The perceptions that you have, Anthony, exist only in your mind.

Catholics call themselves Christians all the time, if you haven't ever witnessed this you're not looking too hard. It's probably because you're never even around Catholics enough to know.

Do not come into this thread and suggest one more time that Catholics separate themselves from the Christian population to appear better than the rest of the Christians or I just might see that as a violation of the rules.

Michelle

Do not come into this thread and suggest

Don't be so defensive, I'm not suggesting anything of the kind.

If someone came up to you and asked what your belief in God was, what would be your first word; answer? Catholic or Christian. This same question would be interesting to ask any Christian.

 

[Anthony]

I've heard people say "I'm Methodist" or "I'm Baptist" all the time, so I'd disagree with the contention that Catholics are the only group of Christians that self-identify by the group's name (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.).

Who said Catholic are the only group . . .

Lots of Christians seem to be something else first

 

[bigsierra]

Who said Catholic are the only group . . .

Lots of Christians seem to be something else first

Are you now saying anyone who would say that is putting their denomination in front of Christ? Would the only ones that are doing it right be the non-denominationalist?