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Why don't protestants bless Mary?

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This offering for her "PURIFICATION", was for SIN .
What makes you say that?

In Judaism, there are a set of laws which are called Family Purity laws that govern sexual aspects. One of those laws pertains to abstaining from sex when a woman bleeds when on her period OR during the after birth period. The unclean state is RITUAL, it is not considered sinful. It is called Niddah. Niddah after the birth of a boy lasts for seven days and after the birth of a girl lasts for 14 days, after which one ritually immerses. Before the temple was destroyed there was also a sacrifice: a sheep, or if she could not afford a sheep, two turtle doves.
 
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But as far as Mary offering a sacrifice for her sin and for her purifuication. that is clear and it was for HER purification.
It was for RITUAL purification (childbirth) not for sin. See my other post above.
 
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Catholics and others believe that Mary needed to have taken a vow of perpetual virginity in order for her to be accepted by God to be the bearer of His Son.
I just ran across a Catholic who believes that Mary took such a vow BEFORE the annunciation. It makes no sense. She could not have become engaged if that were the case. This Catholic says nonsense. Now AFTER the annunciation, that would be a different story.
 
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I just ran across a Catholic who believes that Mary took such a vow BEFORE the annunciation. It makes no sense. She could not have become engaged if that were the case. This Catholic says nonsense. Now AFTER the annunciation, that would be a different story.

I agree entirely with you, yet there are quite a few Catholic who hold that position. Here is a link to a Catholic article on the topic - http://www.catholic.com/tracts/mary-ever-virgin As you can see, it relies entirely on the Protoevangelium of James, which was rejected from the canon of scripture and which contains statements which are flatly contradictory to scripture, if not absurd.
 
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Threads like this confuse me - we're all coming from different thought processes on this. Of course Mary was blessed - she was chosen by God to carry Jesus. It's hard to be more blessed than that. But what do you mean why don't protestants bless her every year? Why would we do that? She was blessed by God for God. It does not mean we should do anything other than acknowledge that. How would we even bless her? I've seen comments here on prayers *shudders* but that I will admit is something I would never do. Prayer was made and meant for God alone. I think using the form of communication for God and praying to anyone else would use them as an excuse to disgrace ourselves and is blasphemous. To me that is certainly not blessing anyone, and maybe even condemning myself.

I have to say I'm not sure how you're wanting us to respond. Bless her how? God has blessed her.
 
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Hello I read some of it and looked through it lots to rebuke there it would take a week to expose every error there.

But as far as Mary offering a sacrifice for her sin and for her purifuication. that is clear and it was for HER purification. Showing that she needed it. We have to take care not to twist scripture and try to make it fit. To say words like "Mary..might be doing the same things". we cannot base our view on "might be" to fit it into a possible answer to escape the very clear rebuke of the catholic position.. And we can't just make up things to say that Mary was this and that.

Jesus is the one mediator between God and man. The text says this ONE mediator is the man Christ Jesus. So there is no other mediator is the clear meaning of the text. To call someone a mediator and to try and change that around to praying to someone is not the same thing as that article you linked to tries to do..

Heres one quote from that article you posted

"I think that Christians in heaven pray through Christ much better than you and me"

well, the question them would be. if you believe this then all believers can be prayed to as mary is not just Mary. It would be wrong to hear a believer praying to his cousin who died and asking to do things etc.

But I havent been discussing praying to Mary or others here. Right now i am talking about mary having sin and needing a saviour. and dying.

also in that link you posted the person says.

"We think Christians in heaven are a heck of a lot more aware of who Christ is than we are...but they know a heck of a lot more about this spiritual game than me"

The word "heck" is a slang for hell, and this is strange talk. There is nothing of hell that the believers are sure of. This i a contradiction. Believers who are in Christ are n glory not heck they are sure of truth and life and light and all good things, they are never "the heck of alot" anything.

Hi,
I am a scientist, and God made me that way, so neither do I apologize for that, and I hope I am not criticised for that.
One day, as I was searching for God still, like you seem to be probing the statements of The Roman Catholic Church on Mary, a man who calls himself a Jew for Christ is talking to me.
My problem with this man is at work he says things that are not true, and it costs me hours to check his statements, find the right answer and then go on about my day.
This day, or later, I confronted him with the facts, and asked him, who do you do that? He told me it is because that is what I believe is true.

In those days, I had no idea if God was Real or not. So, I was stunned at him saying he is a Christian, and has had supernatural experiences with God.
I listened to both of his experiences. I knew how both of those experiences, from my point in life of being an incredibly well respected scientist,,, (remember this is God making me that way. Do not not think me, or ego in that statement of incredibly well respected. I even stunned myself, before knowing God was involved always. We are talking about then. So I will go back.),,, as no one messed with my answers no matter how ridiculous they sounded, because they were actually right, and they would find out in time that was so.
A large part of my life back then, was listening to belated apologies. Some of those apologies would come years later. I always let them, but after awhile it was just tiring and I wished it would all go away, only the you in a conversation is always important to me.
The man I am speaking to, although very capable is not at all accurate. That really hurt when he and all the other guys are trying to tell me about God, as they all seemed to be using Faith only, and to me, academically, objectively Blind Faith. That just didn't cut it for me. I am not allowed to do that.
In the end of my God conversation with that man who I do not have permissions to say his name here, but who has the intials of M A, and he is Jewish, told me:"I hope something happens to you some day, that makes you certain."
Well, something did happen with God, and I am certain.
Yes, the above was in response to your Marian ideas.
It is not that you don't have well reasoned thoughts, it is that, I think you are missing something still, but I do not know what it is yet.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
 
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I agree entirely with you, yet there are quite a few Catholic who hold that position. Here is a link to a Catholic article on the topic - http://www.catholic.com/tracts/mary-ever-virgin As you can see, it relies entirely on the Protoevangelium of James, which was rejected from the canon of scripture and which contains statements which are flatly contradictory to scripture, if not absurd.
Apparently this notion of a pre-annunciation vow has its roots in the Protoevangelium of James, in which Mary is dedicated to work in the Temple as a lifelong virgin. Did Judaism even have such temple virgins? I've sent off an email to the Ask a Rabbi website.

The thing is, even if she were a temple virgin, she would not have married. It is the Law that a Jewish man must "be fruitful and multiply."

I wouldn't say this belief is common. I know LOTS of fellow Catholics, and never heard of this before this week.
 
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I would PREFER that you and whoever else drop forever the use of the phrase "She's just a vessel." Enough said.

If asking for her prayers is not your thing, then don't. There is nothing that says you have to.

Asking for the prayers of other Christians, whether here on earth or with the Lord, does not usurp Jesus unique position as Mediator.

As for your first comment, I don't understand how you do want us to refer to her. The only reason people would say she's just a vessel is because some people make her out to be someone that is beyond mere human. Elevating humans, who are tools in the hand of God, to something beyond merely human is elevating them to idol status.

As for asking for the prayers of other Christians, I see no problem with asking for others to pray for us. Asking Christians who aren't alive anymore to do so isn't what we are to do. Again, there is only one mediator between us and God the Father, and that is Jesus Christ.
 
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I see no problem with asking for others to pray for us. Asking Christians who aren't alive anymore to do so isn't what we are to do.
And I just don't see the difference. Asking for prayer is asking for prayer.
 
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Let's try it this way then: what are some things you don't think Protestants are doing to bless Mary? How do you think we are supposed to do that, since you say we are not? I really have no idea.
 
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And I just don't see the difference. Asking for prayer is asking for prayer.

You have to be praying to the dead in order to ask them to pray for you. But there is only ONE mediator between us and the Father. That would be Jesus Christ.
 
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Let's try it this way then: what are some things you don't think Protestants are doing to bless Mary? How do you think we are supposed to do that, since you say we are not? I really have no idea.
Talk about her positively. But talk. And leave behind the disparaging comments. (I know that not all of you use them).
 
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You have to be praying to the dead in order to ask them to pray for you. But there is only ONE mediator between us and the Father. That would be Jesus Christ.
Praying to the dead is fine. It's NOTHING like Christ's mediation. It's like YOUR intercession.
 
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All this is, is another bland Protestant website giving the same objections that you have given and I have refuted.

Does that mean you'd rather have an exciting website that agrees with you? I'm trying to have a discussion with you about the topic. But you seem to have your mind made up. As for me, I'll will pray to God rather than other Christians.
 
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Does that mean you'd rather have an exciting website that agrees with you? I'm trying to have a discussion with you about the topic. But you seem to have your mind made up. As for me, I'll will pray to God rather than other Christians.
It means that I get tired of correcting the same errors over and over again. What would be exciting is a Protestant website that spoke about our legitimate differences.
So you never ask other Christians for their prayers? Not scriptural. But I think you are kidding.
 
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It means that I get tired of correcting the same errors over and over again. What would be exciting is a Protestant website that spoke about our legitimate differences.
So you never ask other Christians for their prayers? Not scriptural. But I think you are kidding.

I don't have the time to look it up now, but there are scriptures that tell us to pray for one another. I believe that's in Paul's letters. But I haven't seen anything in scripture telling us to pray to people who have died to have them relay anything to God for us. Christ died partially so that we have fellowship with God the Father through Christ His Son. That's why it says that there is ONE mediator between us and God the Father, which is Christ. It doesn't say that those of us who have died are mediators.
 
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