Why doesn't God make it completely crystal clear he exists...

[stan1980]

like he supposedly did for some characters in the bible, then come judgement day, judge us fairly for our sins. Surely this would make much more sense?

 

[The Nihilist]

because he doesn't exist?

 

[Washington]

like he supposedly did for some characters in the bible, then come judgement day, judge us fairly for our sins. Surely this would make much more sense?

You're assuming god cares about being fair. His Biblical antics should clue you into the fact that he does not. Often innocent people suffered because of his momentary whims. So don't go looking for equal treatment or fair judgment. It's not in his play book.

 

[Emmy]

Dear stan1980. When Jesus lived amongst us for 30 years, when He showed us God, how He really is, all Love and waiting for us to repent and become once more loving children, of our Heavenly Father, was that not crystal clear, stan? We, who live now, have God`s Word to tell us. If Jesus would have been living here now, the men and women, after ca. 100 years, would ask the very same, you ask now. God has shown Himself to us, Jesus has lived on Earth, and has paid the price demanded by God`s Holy Law, Jesus is with God-Father now, pleading our prayers. God-Holy Spirit is with us now, not as Man as Jesus was, but God all the same. We know that God is real, we have seen Him wander the Earth, and we know that He is now in the process of saving the world. God is Love, stan, can Love be seen? We know Love is everywhere, where men and women will accept and share it. Why does not everybody? God and Love exist, and God and Love make it crystal clear they exist. Many, many men and women do know for sure, God is making it real and true. I say this humbly and kindly. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[stan1980]

Dear stan1980. When Jesus lived amongst us for 30 years, when He showed us God, how He really is, all Love and waiting for us to repent and become once more loving children, of our Heavenly Father, was that not crystal clear, stan?

I know you mean well, but quite frankly, Jesus living amongst us 2000 years ago does not make gods existance "crystal clear" for reasons which i would hope would be obvious to you.

If Jesus would have been living here now, the men and women, after ca. 100 years, would ask the very same, you ask now.

Completely agree, which is why you'd think it would be a good idea for God to show jesus to every generation so doubt could be avoided.

We know that God is real, we have seen Him wander the Earth, and we know that He is now in the process of saving the world.

I'm afraid i haven't seen god wander the earth nor do i have any knowledge of him saving the world. In fact it's pretty dangerous to rely on on someone who we don't know exists to save the world. The world is something we need to preserve for ourselves.

God is Love, stan, can Love be seen? We know Love is everywhere, where men and women will accept and share it. Why does not everybody? God and Love exist, and God and Love make it crystal clear they exist.

You made some pretty sweeping assumptions there.

I appreciate your comments, but nothing can change the fact that if an intellectual God does exist, he could make it a lot easier if he so desired to let us know of his existance.

 

[Solidlyhere]

Stan keeps hammering away at God.
It's OK to NOT believe in a god.

But, for some reason, God decided to hide Himself from people.
Surely, God does talk to some people.

But, God wants people to have Faith in God.
If God came down and sat-in on a few Church services, then (probably) more people would believe in God.

For people like you, Stan, God provided Satan.
Satan says: This World is all there is, and nothing else matters.
Satan's voice is heard by everyone.
It takes a special "Leap of Faith" to get beyond that level of Spirituality.

In my mind, God expects most people to NOT Believe in God.
Those people are allowed to have whatever Fun they want in this Life.
So, there's not much difference between believers and non-believers.

The ONLY area where belief in God MAY have a difference is in the Afterlife.
So, Faith is sort-of-like an Insurance policy.
You "play" the God game, and then (if there's a God), you get some Goodies in the Afterlife.

Frankly, Stan, if you don't believe in God, then you KNOW there ain't gonna be a Judgment Day.
It's just your body living for a number of years, and then you're Dead.

So, why are wasting your time pounding away at something that doesn't exist?
Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
Or, are you just a hateful and mean-spirited person?

Leave us deluded people alone with our Insurance policy.

 

[stan1980]

But, for some reason, God decided to hide Himself from people.

This is what i'm trying to get to, what possible motive could god have for hiding himself from people. If you think about it rationally, there really isnt a motive.

But, God wants people to have Faith in God.

The church and the bible certainly wants people to have faith in god. There is no firm evidence that god himself wants me to have faith.

So, why are wasting your time pounding away at something that doesn't exist?
Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
Or, are you just a hateful and mean-spirited person?

Leave us deluded people alone with our Insurance policy.

I'm sorry if you think im hateful and mean-spirited, but this is a forum for debate, and i'm just trying to explore ideas.

 

[Emmy]

Dear stan1980. Jesus died to pay the debt to God`s Holy Law, which we, (men and women) owed, and could not pay for, we had moved too far away from God. If God did not love us, if God did not want us back, if God did not care, why His Sacrifice? May I also ask, stan, what would you reckon, makes it crystal clear to us, that He exists? I ask this kindly, stan. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[stan1980]

Dear stan1980. Jesus died to pay the debt to God`s Holy Law, which we, (men and women) owed, and could not pay for, we had moved too far away from God. If God did not love us, if God did not want us back, if God did not care, why His Sacrifice?

Assuming the story of jesus is a truth for a moment which you or I have no way of knowing for sure, then why did God have to send Jesus down? Was God just showing off? Why not just forgive our sins since he is all so powerful. There really was no need to send jesus down at all.

May I also ask, stan, what would you reckon, makes it crystal clear to us, that He exists? I ask this kindly, stan. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

There are many ways god could make himself crystal clear. He could come out of the clouds and address us all, and do this for every generation leaving no doubt. If god is true, then surely he has the power to do this, and there is no motive i can think of for why he wouldn't. Why is God leaving the question of his existance to 3rd or 4th hand stories? It makes no sense.

 

[Emmy]

Dear stan1980. We know that God is Spirit, Holy Spirit, God-Father, God-Son, and God-Holy Spirit. Three Persons, or beings, all working together to redeem Mankind. God-Father, our Creator, God-Son our Saviour, and God-Holy Spirit is in the world now, to teach us about Jesus, to help and guide us, as we ask and need Him. The O.T. prophesied the coming of a Saviour, Jesus the Messiah. Jesus came, He died to reconcile us to God, God raised Him, and Jesus is now with the Father, pleading our prayers, being our Intercessor. Jesus was part God, and part of Mary, the Virgin chosen by God to bring forth our Saviour. The Bible, God`s Word to Man, will explain it more thoroughly, stan. As for God showing Himself to us on a regular basis, that would be cheap magic, any clever magician could do that, and Satan would soon be in charge of this. No, stan, God loves us and he has made us in His image, and God wants us to return to Him as selflessly loving and caring, brothers and sisters, and above all Loyal children of our heavenly Father. Sincere greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ. P.S. I wish to stress, that our God is ONE HOLY GOD.

 

[FishFace]

It's OK to NOT believe in a god.

Not everyone agrees with you though. Perhaps stan is partially addressing those people?

So, Faith is sort-of-like an Insurance policy.
You "play" the God game, and then (if there's a God), you get some Goodies in the Afterlife.

This is a take on what is known as Pascal's Wager. Pascal presents "the God game" as a bet. If you bet on God and you're right, you win big time, but you can't lose anything. If you bet against God and win, you win nothing, but you stand to lose everything.

However, the problem is that belief is not like a wager. I don't go around believing in Santa Claus just in case. In fact, if God were really like an insurance policy, surely you'd believe in the most vicious and most generous God there is, to maximise your potential profits.

So, why are wasting your time pounding away at something that doesn't exist?

You see the forum we're in? "Discussion and Debate -> Philosophy." You don't have to have an agenda to have a debate. You can have one for its own sake. Now, do you think there's a good reason to believe in God or don't you?

 

[Lady Bug]

like he supposedly did for some characters in the bible, then come judgement day, judge us fairly for our sins. Surely this would make much more sense?

I don't know why he doesn't make it explicitly obvious to us that He exists, but there are many, many unexplainable things about the earth, animals, trees, human knowledge, etc. in general that defy materialistic explanations.

 

[theJacknessMonster]

There are many ways god could make himself crystal clear. He could come out of the clouds and address us all, and do this for every generation leaving no doubt.

ah, but he does. every morning he rises up among the clouds and stays with us through the day, then at night he goes away, only to rise again the next day.

 

[peter22]

ah, but he does. every morning he rises up among the clouds and stays with us through the day, then at night he goes away, only to rise again the next day.

Some people see God in the sunrise, some don't. Some people see Jesus in their cereal. Doesn't prove a thing.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

like he supposedly did for some characters in the bible, then come judgement day, judge us fairly for our sins. Surely this would make much more sense?

Well i do exists.
all you need to do is go to crevoscope and you can even debate me.

http://crevoscope.com/index.php?UserId=62

Bu wha ha ha ha.. no body can defeat me... None can defeat me... bu wha ha ha ha......

 

[quatona]

I don't know why he doesn't make it explicitly obvious to us that He exists, but there are many, many unexplainable things about the earth, animals, trees, human knowledge, etc. in general that defy materialistic explanations.

So "god" is merely a synonym for "that which we can´t explain (yet)"?

 

[Bobfr]

I don't know why he doesn't make it explicitly obvious to us that He exists, but there are many, many unexplainable things about the earth, animals, trees, human knowledge, etc. in general that defy materialistic explanations.

Well because scientists can't explain the way everything works in this universe means that a god created those things ?

 

[Christian Soldier]

Well because scientists can't explain the way everything works in this universe means that a god created those things ?

Over 40% of Ph.D. scientists are theists who believe in a supernatural creator God and life after death. So you're misrepresenting the belief of THOUSANDS of scientists when you try to make the bogus claim that explaining how something in the universe works somehow "disproves" God.

Explaining how something OPERATES, doesn't explain how it ORIGINATED. Top atheist scientists like Crick and Hoyle are unable to provide a credible hypothesis for the origin of life, so they adopt incredibly foolish hypotheses like "panspermia".

"God didn't do it, the space aliens did!" Sheesh, Crick and Hoyle made a great comedy team! Too bad they're both dead. "Fran 'n' Fred" were always good for a laugh, especially Fran's "rocket sperm" hypothesis and Fred's "comet creatures" hypothesis. What's really hilarious is that they seriously believed what they were saying.

Of course, neither one was ever quite able to comprehend that the existence of space aliens would merely raise the question "Who or what created the aliens?" A point that was also lost on fellow atheist Carl Sagan.

Poor Carl thought that if he could just find ONE intelligent being elsewhere in the universe, it would somehow "disprove" God. But like I previously mentioned, it would only raise another major question that atheists would be unable to answer.

Too bad about Fran, Fred and Carl. So much intellect and so little common sense. It's a shame they were blinded by their massive egos.

 

[quatona]

Over 40% of Ph.D. scientists are theists who believe in a supernatural creator God and life after death. So you're misrepresenting the belief of THOUSANDS of scientists when you try to make the bogus claim that explaining how something in the universe works somehow "disproves" God.

Except that the poster you have responded to hasn´t made neither implied this claim.
He said:
Well because scientists can't explain the way everything works in this universe means that a god created those things ?

He merely asked to explain the logic of "We can´t explain everything, therefore god."(which was implied to be sound reasoning by the post he responded to).

 

[elman]

like he supposedly did for some characters in the bible, then come judgement day, judge us fairly for our sins. Surely this would make much more sense?

Perhaps because His existence is not the important issue. Perhaps our love for others and our maturing into loving beings is the point and not weather He exists or not.