Why doesn't God heal me

[geiroffenberg]

What if God wants to use us as the poor Lazarus to test the heart of the Richs ??? Shall we sacrifice ourselves ???


May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

thats horrible. first you claim there must be a special holy spirit baptism which denies everything jesus di as he healed everyone long before pentecost. THen you say its possible we can be caleld to be lazarus, sick an d poor? Have you ever READ the gospel? its s promised taht by his stripes we are healed. He didnt say ther are exeptions to this. Did the stripes of jesus mean so little to you that you can deny it for a person taht seeks healing? what kind of belvier are you?
Pls dont speak until you speak like the oracles of God.

 

[geiroffenberg]

It doesn't sound like you believe God loves you.

thats great, more condemnation. thats the christian way.

 

[A Freeman]

Did you know that salvation is absolutely free? and that we do not have to do anything to get saved? Well what do the Scriptures teach? Lets see.

Well, John 3:16 is the most famous verse ever quoted in the world but I want you to see and hear what Jesus said just two verses earlier in verse 14 Jesus is pointing to a historical event to make a point about God's love.

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; (John 3:14 ASV)

The event happened when God led the Jews out from Egypt. As was their habit the people grumbled and sinned while out in the wilderness on their way to the promised land. God responds by judging and disciplining them and on this occasion God sent serpents into their midst:

And Jehovah sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. (Numbers 21:6 ASV)

The people of Israel then do their normal thing - they ask Moses to pray for them for forgiveness from The Lord. Moses prays and God forgives them:

And the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, because we have spoken against Jehovah, and against thee; pray unto Jehovah, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. (Numbers 21:7 ASV)

God forgives the people but on one condition: Moses is to hold the serpent up for the congregation to gaze upon.

Then the Lord said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live." (Numbers 21:8 NASB)

It was not how guilty they felt or how long they stared at it in the heat of the desert sun, it was simply the look of faith.

And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived. (Numbers 21:9 NASB)

If they were hard hearted and stiff necked they died in their sins.

Let's continue on now with Jesus's words:

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:15, 16 NASB)

God has lifted up our object of faith, Jesus the Messiah on a cross. We are to humble ourselves, coming to the realization that personal righteousness and holiness is outside of our capabilities, and look to our God and Father who said:

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. (John 3:15, 17 NASB)

If we refuse to believe that salvation is by grace alone thru faith alone in Messiah alone plus nothing then we are not really believing on Him that was sent and are under the following judgement:

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:15, 18 NASB)

If we have not understood the teaching the bible clearly states concerning the content of faith for salvation then we have accepted the ideas of other religion's teachings concerning not only these simple words of Christ but all of the other passages of scripture concerning God's free offer of imputed righteousness.

Our God did not merely forgive any of us because He is big-hearted enough to forgive us. He redeemed our lives by paying for us, by satisfying the wrath of God against sin. Our God and Father purchased our forgiveness thru the blood of Messiah.

The word of God claims that if you have believed this good news, that you have eternal life. And that your life is now required of you to become a servant of righteousness. Not your own righteousness but that of Jesus. It is in His name that we can freely make our petitions known to God, in Jesus' righteousness we pray (not in ours). And as we petition God in this way, our minds and hearts will grow nearer to God's mind and heart for us, so that we can become the beings we were created to become.

It is our life's goal that the message of the bible be known to all.

According to Christ, believing "in" Him is NOT enough:-

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

Revelation 20:12-13
20:12 And I saw the "Dead", small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another Book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life: and the "Dead" were judged out of those things which were written in the Books, according to their works.
20:13 And the "sea" gave up the "Dead" which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their WORKS.

Christ told NOT to think He came to destroy The Law and that heaven and earth would pass before The Law changed in the slightest way. He also said that anyone who teaches others to break e Commandments/Law was the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:17-20).

Anyone who is not living by The Commandments found within The Law, and claims to know Jesus is a liar and the truth is not in them.

I John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

The reason our bodies get sick is because of sin (i.e. not keeping The Law - 1 John 3:4), so logically the only way to heal them is to stop sinning/breaking The Law.

John 5:5-14
5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time [in that case], he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the Sabbath.
5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the Sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry [thy] bed.
5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in [that] place.
5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

This isn't being shared to preach, only to help.
http://jahtruth.net/heal
Healing in His Wings

 

[Honoluluwindow]

thats great, more condemnation. thats the christian way.

10/4 good buddy.

I'm leading into something loving.

 

[Honoluluwindow]

According to Christ, believing "in" Him is NOT enough:-

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

Revelation 20:12-13
20:12 And I saw the "Dead", small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another Book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life: and the "Dead" were judged out of those things which were written in the Books, according to their works.
20:13 And the "sea" gave up the "Dead" which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their WORKS.

Christ told NOT to think He came to destroy The Law and that heaven and earth would pass before The Law changed in the slightest way. He also said that anyone who teaches others to break e Commandments/Law was the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:17-20).

Anyone who is not living by The Commandments found within The Law, and claims to know Jesus is a liar and the truth is not in them.

I John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

The reason our bodies get sick is because of sin (i.e. not keeping The Law - 1 John 3:4), so logically the only way to heal them is to stop sinning/breaking The Law.

John 5:5-14
5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time [in that case], he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the Sabbath.
5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the Sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry [thy] bed.
5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in [that] place.
5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

This isn't being shared to preach, only to help.
Healing in His Wings

 

[little1]

It doesn't sound like you believe God loves you.

Honolulu
I know He loves me. He's the reason I'm still alive. He's my everything.

It's the Christian church who I think doesn't love me . They do not value me because of my sin and disabilities. They don't value the unhealed. They do not give me dignity by insisting that there is something wrong with MY friendship with Jesus. You might be smarter and know more bible but I love the Lord and he loves me.

 

[little1]

According to Christ, believing "in" Him is NOT enough:-

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

Revelation 20:12-13
20:12 And I saw the "Dead", small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another Book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life: and the "Dead" were judged out of those things which were written in the Books, according to their works.
20:13 And the "sea" gave up the "Dead" which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their WORKS.

Christ told NOT to think He came to destroy The Law and that heaven and earth would pass before The Law changed in the slightest way. He also said that anyone who teaches others to break e Commandments/Law was the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:17-20).

Anyone who is not living by The Commandments found within The Law, and claims to know Jesus is a liar and the truth is not in them.

I John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

The reason our bodies get sick is because of sin (i.e. not keeping The Law - 1 John 3:4), so logically the only way to heal them is to stop sinning/breaking The Law.

John 5:5-14
5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time [in that case], he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the Sabbath.
5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the Sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry [thy] bed.
5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in [that] place.
5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

This isn't being shared to preach, only to help.
Healing in His Wings

I understand that but I think Salvation and the reward could be different.

If you BELIEVE in Jesus you have salvation.
But the reward will be different for different people because we will be judged by our good works for a separate reward.

So a sinful terrorist death bed give your heart to Jesus guy had salvation but his reward will be very different from a brother who was kind and loving and obeyed the Lord .

 

[redblue22]

I understand that but I think Salvation and the reward could be different.

If you BELIEVE in Jesus you have salvation.
But the reward will be different for different people because we will be judged by our good works for a separate reward.

So a sinful terrorist death bed give your heart to Jesus guy had salvation but his reward will be very different from a brother who was kind and loving and obeyed the Lord .

(hug)

 

[jameseb]

Hi little1,

I empathize greatly with you, enduring my own challenges as well. However, mental/emotional illnesses are no different than those suffered by people with physical conditions such as Diabetes, cancer or paralysis. I'm sure you'll find believers amongst them wishing and praying God would heal them as well.

Your brain is an organ just as your heart and lungs are, and it is subject to injury or ailment, too. We all question why we have the burdens most people do not carry, but for whatever reason it is our lot that we must endure and preserve, with the help of both medical treatment and faith.

I'll pray for you!

 

[geiroffenberg]

Honolulu
I know He loves me. He's the reason I'm still alive. He's my everything.

It's the Christian church who I think doesn't love me . They do not value me because of my sin and disabilities. They don't value the unhealed. They do not give me dignity by insisting that there is something wrong with MY friendship with Jesus. You might be smarter and know more bible but I love the Lord and he loves me.

right on. but even though the christian methods doesnt work and is just a scam, the gospel - im talking the real gospel - does work. Theres even a point in the gospel where you dont care if your emotions are messed up or not, becaue you dont even identify with them any longer, but healing is ensured by God...christians will judge you, but thats just ebcause they are condemned themselves.
So as Jesus said "Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to be judged"
We dont have to ahte the church, just know that they are not the answer, never been and never will be.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Did anyone answer the question? I. Also interested in knowing why God seems not to heal people who desperately seek Him - especially in the context that some of us spend our entire lives begging and pleading for Him to "walk over the threshold," while other people just seem to "stumble" across Him - and receive Him and His peace despite being abjectly against Him.

I want to know the OP answer also. Or, perhaps rather: what does it take to get God's attention so that He may heal us? Nothing is too great for Him, which suggests that He wont, or doesn't want to (right now.) Then what next?

I think this question is extremely important.

 

[little1]

The question is extremely important. Comparing it to physical illness does help me find comfort but not an answer.

I find comfort simply because as a kid I was raised catholic so they talked more about suffering then my current Christian friends.
These tiny little old ladies were quite strong in a funny way.
They knew suffering and sickness was not from God.
They knew Jesus took it all.
But umm
They were very very trusting of the sovereignty of God. They could be going through emence pain and simply because of their surrender the didn't seem to suffer?
They prayed for healing don't get me wrong BUT they were very stoic and umm they believed in justice that one day it would be balanced. They would say to me if God doesn't take it away and the enemy attacks me I'll use it for good. And the enemy will regret ever sending sickness. But they were catholic so they believed they could offer it up as prayers to the father.

I definitely suppose I trust God but I want my life (the fruit the stuff everyone sees to reflect the promises in the word)

I understand that it's a dialectic. We are hear but we are also seated with the Father. I am hear but I am healed but it's easy to fall into denial.

Thank you though all the thoughts and encouragement it's definitely got me reflecting and trusting God more. That's good fruit

 

[Ygrene Imref]

The question is extremely important. Comparing it to physical illness does help me find comfort but not an answer.

It shouldn't help. Why? Because physical illness isn't sin. So, a mature Christian (which, I have ironically found tends to heavily include suffering believers) isn't going to necessarily say, "God isn't helping me, because I am blind, paralyzed, etc." We recognize this as trials of life, and the consequence of our carnality.

I think you/the OP is talking about general help applied to routines or shortcomings that directly affect the spirit - things the spirit desperately wants relief from, but the flesh seems to lust for. [Correct me if I am wrong.] In my experience, people ask for this because of

- homosexual desires that the person does NOT want - categorically because s/he doesn't believe God approves/wants that for them.

- spiritual gifts (peace, patience, slowness to anger, etc.)

- intrusive thought, severe depression and spiritual oppression

- demonic assault

- perceived failure despite PROMISES.

- et cetera

I find comfort simply because as a kid I was raised catholic so they talked more about suffering then my current Christian friends.
These tiny little old ladies were quite strong in a funny way.
They knew suffering and sickness was not from God.
They knew Jesus took it all.
But umm
They were very very trusting of the sovereignty of God. They could be going through emence pain and simply because of their surrender the didn't seem to suffer?
They prayed for healing don't get me wrong BUT they were very stoic and umm they believed in justice that one day it would be balanced. They would say to me if God doesn't take it away and the enemy attacks me I'll use it for good. And the enemy will regret ever sending sickness. But they were catholic so they believed they could offer it up as prayers to the father.

Hmm...

I definitely suppose I trust God but I want my life (the fruit the stuff everyone sees to reflect the promises in the word)

I understand that it's a dialectic. We are hear but we are also seated with the Father. I am hear but I am healed but it's easy to fall into denial.

Thank you though all the thoughts and encouragement it's definitely got me reflecting and trusting God more. That's good fruit

 

[little1]

I want to know the OP answer also. Or, perhaps rather: what does it take to get God's attention so that He may heal us?
.

You know I am not intellectually gifted if know the bible really well ..
I'm only 30 year old Australian girl
BUT lol

In my experiences with praying, intercessory prayer or even personal requests like "please help me Jesus"

There is one thing I have found works more then begging and asking.

(Now when I say this I'm not trying to patranize you. It's something I've just stumbled over and noticed)

The Lord seems to respond more to a prayer of faith then me being broken hearted and crying and telling him.
I'm not trying to make in sound bad. He's close to us the broken hearted and a bruised reed he won't break
But
If I use logic I can definitely say God answers my prayer when I pray with boldness, strength, faith, not when I have a meltdown on the shower floor crying and saying I hate it hear help me help me.
He's close in those emotional painful times to comfort and love but more changes when I pretend I'm better then I am and speak the promises of God.

Not sure if that will make sennce but there it is

NOW

The trouble is it's hard for normal people to do the opposite to what they feel LET ALONE someone with major depression.

So it's one day at a time

 

[little1]

It shouldn't help. Why? Because physical illness isn't sin. So, a mature Christian (which, I have ironically found tends to heavily include suffering believers) isn't going to necessarily say, "God isn't helping me, because I am blind, paralyzed, etc." We recognize this as trials of life, and the consequence of our carnality.

I think you/the OP is talking about general help applied to routines or shortcomings that directly affect the spirit - things the spirit desperately wants relief from, but the flesh seems to lust for. [Correct me if I am wrong.] In my experience, people ask for this because of

- homosexual desires that the person does NOT want - categorically because s/he doesn't believe God approves/wants that for them.

- spiritual gifts (peace, patience, slowness to anger, etc.)

- intrusive thought, severe depression and spiritual oppression

- demonic assault

- perceived failure despite PROMISES.

- et cetera



Hmm...

What you have explained hear IS EXACTLY what I keep getting the impression christians believe

So depression PTSD mental illness is sin?

Do you know it shows up on a brain scan?
How is it different from being blind?

I'm trying to learn

 

[little1]

This is what I'm saying hurts so much.
I have a disability trauma whatever that seems to be sin. To the church.

Between myself and God I know he knows all and he sees all so I'm ok with Him

BUT mental illness looks a lot like short comming of a normal individual

 

[little1]

A mentally sick or traumatised individual has the power not to give in to temptation but we definitely enter into a grey area with free will if you look into her behaviour.

The brain is an organ and trauma weather it be from an event or a hit on the head shows on the scan.
The effects are similar for both injuries.

So a traumatised individual can attend church and find it difficult to serve. She gets confused and forgets where she is. She could be scrubbing the toilets and be crying and find it all too hard.
/\
She really can't do it can she

But in life it's difficult for people to realise that her disability is just as physical as the blind.

Would you expect the blind person to clean the toilet? To catch people in the prayer line?
Would we expect a mute to lead worship?
Would we put it down to lazy ness if he didn't?

I'm trying to explain the pain of having mental issues and being in the church .

Because you stuff is as above you have stated constantly seen as short comings.

The church is kind. If people new everything they would understand but you simply can't tell people over and over all your life.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

What you have explained hear IS EXACTLY what I keep getting the impression christians believe

So depression PTSD mental illness is sin?

Do you know it shows up on a brain scan?
How is it different from being blind?

I'm trying to learn

Oh I was saying physical and mental illness is NOT a sin. Why WOULDN'T anyone with open eyes be depressed given the state of this planet? It is physical heaven trying to be hell, so sometimes depression is a good spiritual barometer. The biblical heroes were almost guaranteed to be clinically depressed as a CONSEQUENCE of their closeness to righteusness.

But, sometimes depression is spiritual oppression from other entities. And, the oppression can be confused for fault.

 

[little1]

Oh I was saying physical and mental illness is NOT a sin. Why WOULDN'T anyone with open eyes be depressed given the state of this planet? It is physical heaven trying to be hell, so sometimes depression is a good spiritual barometer. The biblical heroes were almost guaranteed to be clinically depressed as a CONSEQUENCE of their closeness to righteusness.

But, sometimes depression is spiritual oppression from other entities. And, the oppression can be confused for fault.

Very very true.
And this is also a big thing.
This is it
People can be oppressed

They an even FEEL DEPRESSED and not have depression.
People can feel fear and anxiety and not have PTSD or trauma
People can find it difficult to learn but not have learning disability
People can be socially awkward and not have Autism

Through prayer, discipline and faith I've seen these folks (even me) through off their stuff. Resist the enemy and he flees. I've seen these types be renewed to the word of God.
Because God is changing us to be more like him.

But I want to see the other types healed. But the thing is the prayer, discipline doesn't seem to budge the blind eyes or the mentally broken brain. We really need Jesus to heal the physical part of this problem.
I've actually found the more I pray and TRY to be good and healed the worse I get. So God needs to do it.

And I'm glad he will
But I want healing in the land of the living !

I will say that I am better then I was 3 years ago so
But see I've taken my meds this morning so I am good. oh lord we can't wait to understand

 

[FrankDux]

The only people I have ever encountered that cut themselves on purpose were doing it for attention because they didn't know any way to relate to people or make friends

It was generally a negative-attention seeking habit

If that is the case with you, OP, I hope you find a way to replace the habit