Why doesn't God heal amputees?

Desk trauma · Oct 5, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
God requires "FAITH," and solid scientific proof is not faith.

Your deity allegedly created the universe. In the universe it allegedly created facts about the universe, such as the melting point of metals, can be proven yet its existence cannot be proven?

TheQuietRiot · Oct 5, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
I understand that. But I am not above believing in supernatural revelation. I have seen it happen to another hardened atheist who (while I was praying for him) suddenly shouted out "!@#$%^&*!!! He's REAL!"

He has since served as an evangelist missionary in Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

Would you like me to pray for you?

No thankyou.

grasping the after wind · Oct 5, 2015

TheQuietRiot said:
If all the evidence you have is "faith" then I would not want to waste your time any further.

It takes reason and evidence to convince me of something.

Then you must agree the statement 3-4 =-1 is nonsensical.
I see no evidence to suggest that the capacity for human sensory perceptions is all encompassing so I cannot say unequivocally that what we are able to perceive of the universe is the totality of what there is to perceive but I will state unequivocally that from the evidence of our human perceptions there is nothing that exists that is less than nothing.

TheQuietRiot said:
Simple question, probably a very complicated answer.
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I hear about God healing people all the time on these forums.

Why does he not heal amputees?

Why God doesn't heal amputees? I, coming from the POV that God is good and does everything for the betterment of everyone, would assume he sees no profit for them in doing so. Perhaps being an amputee actually is the preferable condition for them in some metaphysical way I do not comprehend? One's faith or ones POV will color one's attitude about things. As we do not have any way of knowing what quality their life would hold if they were not exactly as they are we have no way of knowing whether not being an amputee would be a better or worse condition for them. Perhaps being fully abled would mean they had less empathy or would lead them to be cruel or even criminal? Who can say? Now, as you have a completely different POV about God and for that matter the nature of reality than I do I would not expect you to accept my assumptions. I will not insist that you must accept my POV as the correct one and I hope you will not expect me to accept your's as the correct one. We must simply acknowledge the fact that it is often the case that we cannot use reason or evidence to disprove the other's conclusions are in error. In cases where our reasoning is air tight and as honest as we are able to make it, beginning with different assumptions will produce different conclusions. The conclusions do not differ because of a lack of good reasoning or a lack of evidence by one or the other but they differ because of a different set of basic assumptions. Assumptions which cannot be disproven by either party without assuming that our own set of basic assumptions are correct and that the other's is therefore incorrect.

grasping the after wind · Oct 5, 2015

Desk trauma said:
Your deity allegedly created the universe. In the universe it allegedly created facts about the universe, such as the melting point of metals, can be proven yet its existence cannot be proven?

The melting point of metal? Metals melt at different temperatures and the process is a fairly simple one to measure. Perhaps a Supreme non physical Being is a bit more complex and a bit more difficult to understand and prove than the melting point of a metal? Just like a raindrop is a bit easier to prove the existence of than man made global warming.

KitKatMatt · Oct 5, 2015

Blind post:

I think God deals us our hand, and that we have to learn to cope with it. He has also given us impressive intelligence and the ability to learn and create solutions, so we can learn how to treat the problems we face.

I think one day we will be able to "heal" amputees (in terms of replacing the extremities lost), most likely in the form of being able to grow replacement body parts and connect them successfully to the nervous system (along with bones, tendons, veins, etc). All because God gave us this ability to learn and create!

Messy · Oct 5, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
As your profile says "atheist," I am afraid there is little that could be construed by you as being evidence.
God requires "FAITH," and solid scientific proof is not faith.

But if we have faith they can get their evidence.
Jesus told that man unless you see signs and wonders you will by no means believe.
For believers it's first believe, then see. For atheists it's first see, then believe. That's how I got saved. I just asked for signs.

Mister_Al · Oct 5, 2015

Do you think that it bothers God that you don't believe He heals amputees? Or, maybe you think that God should furnish you with credible evidence of His work so it will be permissible of you for Him to do it. God heals people because of His love for them not because He is hoping to prove Himself to somebody.

You asked why doesn't God heal amputees and you want proof that He does yet you don't provide any proof--except for your own suppositions--that He doesn't heal them.

If you really want to know the answer to your question then maybe you should pray to Him and ask Him.

Alan

durangodawood · Oct 5, 2015

When healings only happen for maladies that are known to sometimes heal naturally, it casts doubt upon the whole idea of supernatural healing.

I'm agnostic on the possibility. If an "impossible" healing was well documented, then I'd probably believe.

heatedmonk · Oct 5, 2015

TheQuietRiot said:
Simple question, probably a very complicated answer.

I hear about God healing people all the time on these forums.

Why does he not heal amputees?

Odd, there's an atheist community discussion forum that is of the exact same name as this thread title.

Hasn't God healed amputees?

Skaloop · Oct 5, 2015

What I have seen here, and usually see in other discussions regarding regrowing amputated limbs, is that "God doesn't always heal". Which if true, is true. But it also implies that God does heal sometimes. And anytime someone's cancer goes into remission, there are some that will come out of the woodwork to say that God healed the cancer. Whenever someone has cancer, there will be a call for prayer to God to heal the cancer. Most of the time, He doesn't. But, the claim is still made that sometimes He does. So the position of that is that sometimes, but not always, God will heal someone's cancer (or some other curable disease). So God is selective in what He will heal. His reasons are His own. Yet He never ever heals an amputee. You can get accounts of God healing cancer on an almost daily basis. So while God may not heal every time, He does apparently heal some of the time. Yet never ever an amputee. I get that it's because He's selective, but if that were the case why is He so selective as to heal cancer at basically a whim, but never ever heal an amputee? You'd think there would be a broader spectrum than just healing curable things like cancer, but never healing incurable things like amputation.

JonFromMinnesota · Oct 5, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
I understand that. But I am not above believing in supernatural revelation. I have seen it happen to another hardened atheist who (while I was praying for him) suddenly shouted out "!@#$%^&*!!! He's REAL!"

He has since served as an evangelist missionary in Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

Would you like me to pray for you?

Convenient that none of this is claim of the supernatural is verifiable. When it comes to supernatural claims you have to ask yourself this question: "What is more likely? That the laws of nature have been suspended in your favor and in a way that you approve or have you made a mistake?"

Mister_Al · Oct 5, 2015

durangodawood said:
When healings only happen for maladies that are known to sometimes heal naturally, it casts doubt upon the whole idea of supernatural healing.

I'm agnostic on the possibility. If an "impossible" healing was well documented, then I'd probably believe.

If an impossible healing occurs then was it an impossible healing? With God all things are possible, yet people all too easily dismiss the works of God as a simple coincidence that could have happened anyway.

Alan

Mister_Al · Oct 5, 2015

God is not selective in what He heals, it's just that people are selective in what they believe.

Alan

Messy · Oct 5, 2015

heatedmonk said:
Odd, there's an atheist community discussion forum that is of the exact same name as this thread title.

Hasn't God healed amputee's?

Lol yes I once wanted to find evidence for someone and I found this amazing good documented story of a woman who missed a leg, but it was an april fools joke.
They do have a point.

JonFromMinnesota · Oct 5, 2015

Mister_Al said:
If an impossible healing occurs then was it an impossible healing? With God all things are possible, yet people all too easily dismiss the works of God as a simple coincidence that could have happened anyway.

Alan

That would be using God of the Gaps fallacy. For example "I don't understand how this person recovered, therefore God did it and it was the God I believe in" It removes the possibility of learning something new when you assume the conclusion.

Messy · Oct 5, 2015

Skaloop said:
What I have seen here, and usually see in other discussions regarding regrowing amputated limbs, is that "God doesn't always heal". Which if true, is true. But it also implies that God does heal sometimes. And anytime someone's cancer goes into remission, there are some that will come out of the woodwork to say that God healed the cancer. Whenever someone has cancer, there will be a call for prayer to God to heal the cancer. Most of the time, He doesn't. But, the claim is still made that sometimes He does. So the position of that is that sometimes, but not always, God will heal someone's cancer (or some other curable disease). So God is selective in what He will heal. His reasons are His own. Yet He never ever heals an amputee. You can get accounts of God healing cancer on an almost daily basis. So while God may not heal every time, He does apparently heal some of the time. Yet never ever an amputee. I get that it's because He's selective, but if that were the case why is He so selective as to heal cancer at basically a whim, but never ever heal an amputee? You'd think there would be a broader spectrum than just healing curable things like cancer, but never healing incurable things like amputation.

Because that is hard to believe for us, because you see it. Christians also have a mind that doesn't believe this.
My pastor just closes his eyes if he doesn't believe it and then prays. Cancer in his dad was gone instantly. Doctors had the photo's and said his God had done a miracle.
It takes some more faith to heal the amputees in His Name. That has nothing to do with if He wants to or not.

Messy · Oct 5, 2015

JonFromMinnesota said:
That would be using God of the Gaps fallacy. For example "I don't understand how this person recovered, therefore God did it and it was the God I believe in" It removes the possibility of learning something new when you assume the conclusion.

Yes except when it happens all the time immediately when you pray in the Name of Jesus. That is what convinced me. Every stupid thing I asked for happened. One time is a coincidence, 200 times can be a coincidence, but after a year I thought this can't be a coincidence anymore.
They told a man it was not because of his prayer but a coincidence. He said: well I will keep praying then because everytime I pray coincidences happen.

Desk trauma · Oct 5, 2015

Messy said:
Yes except when it happens all the time immediately when you pray in the Name of Jesus.

Yet when prayer has been studied the results were ambiguous at best. Were it as effective as you contend it would be easily demonstrable.

Messy · Oct 5, 2015

Desk trauma said:
Yet when prayer has been studied the results were ambiguous at best. Were it as effective as you contend it would be easily demonstrable.

I saw that. How long ago is that?
Only the big preachers used to pray for the sick. Now ordinary believers go to the street to pray for people and they all get healed. Watch those movies from Thorben Sondergaard. He teaches ordinary believers to step out and heal the sick.
He was in Holland too. Now they all go to the street and muslims get healed and saved.

JonFromMinnesota · Oct 5, 2015

Messy said:
Yes except when it happens all the time immediately when you pray in the Name of Jesus. That is what convinced me. Every stupid thing I asked for happened. One time is a coincidence, 200 times can be a coincidence, but after a year I thought this can't be a coincidence anymore.
They told a man it was not because of his prayer but a coincidence. He said: well I will keep praying then because everytime I pray coincidences happen.

What about the 9 million children who die every year before the age of 5? Many of them and their parents praying just as much as you, yet their prayers go unanswered. To say "God is good" every time you are convinced a prayer is answered for YOU, but resort to "God is mysterious" for the many whose prayers go unanswered and go through unimaginable suffering is very narcissistic on your part. Your example makes it sound like "Give me what I want". It sounds selfish and it's putting yourself up on a pedestal as if you are super important.

Why doesn't God heal amputees?

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