Why Does The Latter Rain Enrage The Church And The Nominal Adventists?

[Martinman]

My question is: Why would the proclamation of the Sabbath cause this reaction? What new aspect of the Sabbath could there be given in the latter rain message that would cause this effect?


"And if one believed, and kept the Sabbath, and received the blessing attending it, and then gave it up, and broke the holy commandment, they would shut the gates of the Holy City against themselves, as sure as there was a God that rules in heaven above. I saw that God had children, who do not see and keep the Sabbath. They had not rejected the light on it. And at the commencement of the time of trouble, we were filled with the Holy Ghost as we went forth, and proclaimed the Sabbath more fully. This enraged the church, and nominal Adventists, as they could not refute the Sabbath truth. And at this time, God's chosen all saw clearly that we had the truth, and they came out and endured the persecution with us. And I saw the sword, famine, pestilence, and great confusion in the land. The wicked thought that we had brought the judgments down on them. They rose up and took counsel to rid the earth of us, thinking that then the evil would be stayed. " {Broadside3, April 7, 1847 E.G.W.

"I saw that we sensed and realized but little of the importance of the Sabbath, to what we yet should realize and know of its importance and glory. I saw we knew not what it was yet to ride upon the high places of the earth and to be fed with the heritage of Jacob. But when the refreshing and latter rain shall come from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His power we shall know what it is to be fed with the heritage of Jacob and ride upon the high places of the earth. Then shall we see the Sabbath more in its importance and glory. But we shall not see it in all its glory and importance until the covenant of peace is made with us at the voice of God" Mar 245 E.G.W.

 

[Mchungaji]

I have a few more questions. Does the Bible anywhere support the idea of the latter-rain in regard to the Holy Spirit? I thought the Holy Spirit poured without measure has been active since Pentecost. Or am missing something here?

 

[Pythons]

In Gnostic circles it's believed that special information ( not available to others ) has come to the group...
...These secret teachings are titled as the such and such 'truth'.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I have a few more questions. Does the Bible anywhere support the idea of the latter-rain in regard to the Holy Spirit? I thought the Holy Spirit poured without measure has been active since Pentecost. Or am missing something here?

The metaphor of the early and latter rain is referencing the spring time crop planting rain and pre harvest rain in Palestine. The early rain would ensure the crop germinated and took root... this is what happened with the Pentecost outpouring of the Holy Spirit, the church grew quickly with the power given to the early apostles at that time. The latter rain, the one before the harvest , is to ensure the maximum yeild from the crop. This will be mainifested through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon His people just before Jesus comes. Of course we have had the Holy Spirit among us all throughout but this signifies a power being given to God's people that will manifest as it did with the apostles.... healings, casting out demons and other miracles will be happening during this time to give power to the message of the third angel.

Here's some scripture talking about this event...

Joel 2:28-32
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:


And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Of course, we know that this prophesy had it's first fulfillment at Pentecost but it also speaks to the time we are living 'in the last days' (Acts 2:17)

Zech 10:1
Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

James 5:7
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I don't think it enrages people. i think that historic sda have misused and misappled this term. i think also you are dealing with people who do not accept egw as a prophet they accept a biblical standard

 

[Martinman]

I would like to ask if you have read this statement before? What truths have been unseen since the day of Pentecost?



“Great truths that have lain unheeded and unseen since the day of Pentecost, are to shine from God's word in their native purity. To those who truly love God the Holy Spirit will reveal truths that have faded from the mind, and will also reveal truths that are entirely new. Those who eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of God will bring from the books of Daniel and Revelation truth that is inspired by the Holy Spirit. They will start into action forces that cannot be repressed. The lips of children will be opened to proclaim the mysteries that have been hidden from the minds of men.” Fundamentals of Christian Education 473



The true Interpreter, the Messiah, began at Moses (Luke 24) when He explained the truth of His resurrection and the significance of the ritual services together with His interpretation of the “shadow”Sabbaths.


And it is the light that emanates from the Sabbath that causes these prophecies of Daniel and Revelation to burst forth with new life under the power of the Holy Spirit. There is much more light on the Sabbath that all will need to know in order to recognize the latter rain message. There is an entire system of truth and prophecy that is opened by a deeper understanding of the 7th day Sabbath and the “shadows” that it casts in the sanctuary services.


I am not advocating returning to the observances of the ritual services which were a part of the old covenant and ended at the cross. But these ritual services are tremendously significant and profoundly prophetic, “typical of mysteries in the plan of redemption” (Signs of the Times, July 29, 1886) that God wants to reveal to our understanding. These mysteries will compose the latter rain message.


Some will have to learn in a few months that which others took years in learning. But this knowledge is essential before the servants of God can be sealed and before they could ever “proclaim the Sabbath more fully.”

 

[stinsonmarri]

The metaphor of the early and latter rain is referencing the spring time crop planting rain and pre harvest rain in Palestine. The early rain would ensure the crop germinated and took root... this is what happened with the Pentecost outpouring of the Holy Spirit, the church grew quickly with the power given to the early apostles at that time. The latter rain, the one before the harvest , is to ensure the maximum yeild from the crop. This will be mainifested through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon His people just before Jesus comes. Of course we have had the Holy Spirit among us all throughout but this signifies a power being given to God's people that will manifest as it did with the apostles.... healings, casting out demons and other miracles will be happening during this time to give power to the message of the third angel.

Here's some scripture talking about this event...

Joel 2:28-32
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:


And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Of course, we know that this prophesy had it's first fulfillment at Pentecost but it also speaks to the time we are living 'in the last days' (Acts 2:17)

Zech 10:1
Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.

James 5:7
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

EastCoastRemnant:​

You are correct but many still as you really do not understand that Pentecost, the Latter Rain, and Loud Cry are one of the Feast of Yahweh. And if it is to be repeated, which it is, than it cannot be nailed to the cross. All of the above Scriptures are correct and points to EGW as one of the handmaids to receive visions and prophesied. She was just like John the Baptist coming in the Spirit of Elijah pointing and preparing the way for the five virgins (144,000). When the refreshing comes, this is the Loud Cry. It will fall on the Day of Pentecost for the very last time and the Holy Spirit will pour out the Latter Rain of truth. These saints are the messengers that fly in the midst of the air (symbolically). They will have the Sabbath truth and not some unheard of shadow sabbaths which is not Biblical! They will have the everlasting gospel first calling all men to prepare for Elohim judgment. Second calling those out of Babylon (the old Jerusalem) because it is about to be destroyed by the false prophet with fire (bombed). Finally, as I have been preaching and I will continue even more so about the beast/man and the false prophet. EGW was correct because she saw the 144,000 moving swiftly around the world preaching the everlasting gospel. Racism, greed, the love of money, hatred, homosexuality, killing and murder, stealing, deceit, lying, claiming to love Elohim but denying His Word, and much more is taking place. The River Euphrates is drying up now today hatred for the President because of his color. Islam is collapsing and America's two party systems are in disarray. One percent of Americans are controlling and holding on to the wealth. Same sex marriages, middle class is being destroyed and on and on. Like it was in the day of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah so it is today. Get ready people and wake up because time is running out!​

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[BusterBrown]

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[RC_NewProtestants]

The idea of the latter rain is based upon a fiction of the Pentecostal church. It is not a Biblical idea at all. See the article The Latter Rain

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The idea of the latter rain is based upon a fiction of the Pentecostal church. It is not a Biblical idea at all. See the article The Latter Rain

Read the article... doesn't take anything away from the scripture and it's meaning. See Hosea 6:3 and James 5:7. And if that wasn't enough, which to me it is, SOP speaks very clearly of the outpouring of the latter rain. Just a common understanding of the significance of the harvest being God's people and increasing it's yeild with a latter rain, is elementary. After all the church was initially sprouted with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, right?

But you can choose to fall away from sound doctrine if you wish...

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Hosea 6:3

New International Version (NIV)


3 Let us acknowledge the LORD;
let us press on to acknowledge him.
As surely as the sun rises,
he will appear;
he will come to us like the winter rains,
like the spring rains that water the earth.”

7 Be patient, then, brothers and sisters, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop, patiently waiting for the autumn and spring rains.

Exactly, agricultural terms having nothing to do with the outpouring of the holy Spirit. James is about patience. Hosea being a reference about the surety of God just like the new day dawns.

I think this sort of answers the question someone else asked about Ellen White. You want to accuse me of falling away because I go by what the Bible actually says rather then what Ellen White says. That is the saddest fact of Adventism, sound doctrine is only what their prophet tells them even if it is contrary to the Bible.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Hosea 6:3

New International Version (NIV)


3 Let us acknowledge the LORD;
let us press on to acknowledge him.
As surely as the sun rises,
he will appear;
he will come to us like the winter rains,
like the spring rains that water the earth.”

7 Be patient, then, brothers and sisters, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop, patiently waiting for the autumn and spring rains.

Exactly, agricultural terms having nothing to do with the outpouring of the holy Spirit. James is about patience. Hosea being a reference about the surety of God just like the new day dawns.

I think this sort of answers the question someone else asked about Ellen White. You want to accuse me of falling away because I go by what the Bible actually says rather then what Ellen White says. That is the saddest fact of Adventism, sound doctrine is only what their prophet tells them even if it is contrary to the Bible.

A couple of questions if you don't mind... is the former and latter rain for the benefit of the harvest?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Exegesis is reading a passage for the meaning of the text, Eisegesis is reading your intended meaning into the text. Your questions indicate you are practicing Eisegesis.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Exegesis is reading a passage for the meaning of the text, Eisegesis is reading your intended meaning into the text. Your questions indicate you are practicing Eisegesis.

Your answer indicates that you knwo where I'm going with this that will show the logical tie in between the rains and the work of the Holy Spirit.

If you don't believe that the Holy Spirit is going tobe poured out upon God's people before Hoe comes, that is your choice... doesn't mean that it won't happen though. Don't forget, all things in the scriptures are for our understanding for our time. Do you think the multiple mentions of the early and latter rains was only for understanding their agricultural practices??

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

No I know where you are going, it is rather like those who believe in baptism for the dead or the secret rapture etc.. They can produce a logic for their position they can tie things from this verse to that verse. That however is not exegesis and that is the point. The history of this latter rain teaching shows that it is not exegesis. Simple as that, that you can connect something is meaningless, lots of false doctrines can be connected to something.

 

[Stan Tei]

In an answer to the issue of "The Sabbath more fully" and the outpouring of the latter rain in the loud cry, I ask that you all read from the pages of history of the 1888 Righteousness by Faith movement and see what the SDA church has censured from it:

g o o g l e
"Exposing the Skeleton in the SDA Closet of 1888"
by Norman Bradley

Download this document and see the hidden truth.

 

[Alawishis]

To return to the original question if I may.

"This enraged the church, and nominal Adventists" It's clear the "nominal Adventists" are enraged. I think the key word is "nominal" we all know in any church there are many people who are not fully converted and just go through the motions. One of the areas nominal SDA's backslide is in Sabbath keeping. Probably prayer or study is number two. The last thing someone who is comfortable and concealed to be a nominal wants is to be exposed. I would suppose this would enrage many if they were embarrassed. The same as the Pharisees were.

 

[Pythons]

So, you are claiming that it was the trick of Satan that kept the SDA's from observing the Jewish Liturgical feasts?
....And that now the truth is out SDA's should observe the Jewish Liturgical feast days.
...This is interesting to say the least.

 

[Stan Tei]

So, you are claiming that it was the trick of Satan that kept the SDA's from observing the Jewish Liturgical feasts?
....And that now the truth is out SDA's should observe the Jewish Liturgical feast days.
...This is interesting to say the least.

No. These are not Jewish Feasts. They are God's Feasts.

Is the Seventh-day Sabbath a feast day?

Yes, in Leviticus chapter 23:2, God says, “Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My feasts.”


“Dear Friend, I have offered and still offer $1000 to any one who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound, under grievous sin to keep Sunday holy. It was the Catholic Church which made the law obliging us to keep Sunday holy. The church made this law long after the Bible was written. Hence said law is not in the Bible. Christ, our Lord empowered his church to make laws binding in conscience. He said to his apostles and their lawful successors in the priesthood “Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be binding in heaven.” Mth. 16:19. Mth. 18:17. Luke 16:19. The Cath. Church abolished not only the Sabbath, but all the other Jewish festivals. Respectfully, T. Enright CSSR.”


No man, Catholic priest or pope has the authority to change the Law of God. Not even God Himself could change His Law. If He could change the Law, He could simply remove it and there would be no need to send His Son to die for us.

So why are you here trolling an SDA forum?

 

[Alawishis]

So, you are claiming that it was the trick of Satan that kept the SDA's from observing the Jewish Liturgical feasts?
....And that now the truth is out SDA's should observe the Jewish Liturgical feast days.
...This is interesting to say the least.

No I didn't say that. Just read what I said, that's what I meant.