Why does the earth rotate?

Grafted In · Sep 5, 2015

Seems the account in Josh. about the sun notgoing down for a whole day would be a huge deal in the ancient writings from all over the world, yet I've never heard a thing. Anyone have references to other cultures' account of this?

May seem off-topic but the earth had to have stopped rotating, something I'd think would at least have been noted elsewhere than the bible.

ananda · Sep 5, 2015

essentialsaltes said:
No, I don't realize that. If the earth is a sphere, then anywhere within the Arctic Circle would see the Midnight Sun on the solstice. And the diagram I included should make it clear why (and why the tilt is in fact critical). This contradicts the statement that:

If the Earth were actually
a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place
such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed
would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89
degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any
tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight.

You're connecting two statements that speak of different things. Read again ...

If the Earth were actually
a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place
such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed
would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89
degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any
tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight

The "regardless of any tilt or inclination" is speaking about "any other vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards" - not about the poles.

ananda · Sep 5, 2015

The Barbarian said:
In a stationary Earth model, how do you explain that it takes less energy to put an object in orbit if it's launched near the equator and eastward?

Is this something that you have proven and know directly for yourself?

Grafted In · Sep 5, 2015

Why do weather patterns move in the same direction as the earth'S rotation ? You'd thing they'd lag behind.

I recall watching scientists trying to explain by the use of a sphere suspended in a sealed glass container ( I think it was a vacuum ). As the sphere spun they dropped smoke into the container and it proceeded to gather around the equator of the sphere and rotate in the same direction.....only faster.

Anyone see the posibility of free energy here.
Or am I just full of it?

ecco · Sep 5, 2015

ananda said:
Is that the only thing you got out of all 200 points?

You want more?

32) If “gravity” is credited with being a force strong enough to hold the world’s oceans, buildings, people and atmosphere stuck to the surface of a rapidly spinning ball, then it is impossible for “gravity” to also simultaneously be weak enough to allow little birds, bugs, and planes to take-off and travel freely unabated in any direction

33) If “gravity” is credited with being a force strong enough to curve the massive expanse of oceans around a globular Earth, it would be impossible for fish and other creatures to swim through such forcefully held water.

After reading this I was starting to believe that his site was a parody site like The Landover Baptist Church Forum.

After all “ericdubay” is a partial anagram for “rediculous”

However, after visiting another of his sites: http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/, I'm reasonably convinced he's just another guy who found a way to make money selling books and videos and speaking fees to the fringe.

But he is multi-faceted. He says the following about Hitler:

he wanted nothing but peace, and never ordered the extermination of a single Jew

ananda · Sep 5, 2015

ecco said:
You want more?

After reading this I was starting to believe that his site was a parody site like The Landover Baptist Church Forum.

After all “ericdubay” is a partial anagram for “rediculous”

However, after visiting another of his sites: http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/, I'm reasonably convinced he's just another guy who found a way to make money selling books and videos and speaking fees to the fringe.

But he is multi-faceted. He says the following about Hitler:

He has plenty of free material. I don't blame him for selling material - most people sell something to make a living, but perhaps you don't work for a living?

As for Hitler, that's debatable. Most people have only heard and accepted one side of the story regarding Hitler, much like hearing one side of the story regarding the Earth.

Got anything besides ad hominem attacks on him?

Grafted In · Sep 5, 2015

....and if my last post was worth consideration perhaps that'S why they send rockets at an angle. But do they always send them eastward? Are they taking advantage of the pull of the spinning sphere as was demonstrated with the smoke?

ecco · Sep 5, 2015

ananda said:
He has plenty of free material. I don't blame him for selling material - most people sell something to make a living, but perhaps you don't work for a living?
Got anything besides ad hominem attacks on him?

What does my occupation have to do with anything or was that an ad hominemon attack on me?

As for Hitler, that's debatable. Most people have only heard and accepted one side of the story regarding Hitler, much like hearing one side of the story regarding the Earth.

One doesn't hear too many arguments from the "other side" these days regarding a flat earth since it's been pretty well discredited for centuries.

The idea of a spherical Earth appeared in Greek philosophy with Pythagoras (6th century BC), although most Pre-Socratics retained the flat Earth model. Aristotle accepted the spherical shape of the Earth on empirical grounds around 330 BC, and knowledge of the spherical Earth gradually began to spread beyond the Hellenistic world from then on.

The mistaken notion that medieval Christians thought the earth is flat has been referred to as the myth of the flat Earth, or "the Flat Error". During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost nonexistent.

essentialsaltes · Sep 5, 2015

ananda said:
You're connecting two statements that speak of different things. Read again ...

If the Earth were actually
a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place
such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed
would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89
degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any
tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight

The "regardless of any tilt or inclination" is speaking about "any other vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards" - not about the poles.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. The Arctic Circle starts around 66 degrees latitude, so a place like Barrow, Alaska (71.2956° N) is inside the Arctic Circle. This is a "vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards" because 71 degrees is less than 89 degrees.

The Midnight sun is visible there. Why? Because of the tilt (as clearly shown in the diagram). The diagram makes it clear that the quoted statement is just wrong. A tilted sphere would have midnight sun in lots of places (within the Arctic Circle), not just at the pole.

ananda · Sep 5, 2015

ecco said:
What does my occupation have to do with anything or was that an ad hominemon attack on me?

One doesn't hear too many arguments from the "other side" these days regarding a flat earth since it's been pretty well discredited for centuries.

You had nothing but ad hominem attacks on him, so what's good for the goose, right?

Non-spherical earth arguments has not been discredited, as far as I'm concerned!

ananda · Sep 5, 2015

essentialsaltes said:
I have no idea what you're trying to say. The Arctic Circle starts around 66 degrees latitude, so a place like Barrow, Alaska (71.2956° N) is inside the Arctic Circle. This is a "vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards" because 71 degrees is less than 89 degrees.

The Midnight sun is visible there. Why? Because of the tilt (as clearly shown in the diagram). The diagram makes it clear that the quoted statement is just wrong. A tilted sphere would have midnight sun in lots of places (within the Arctic Circle), not just at the pole.

I believe he is speaking about the Antarctic region, from 89 degrees downwards.

AV1611VET · Sep 5, 2015

Grafted In said:
Seems the account in Josh. about the sun notgoing down for a whole day would be a huge deal in the ancient writings from all over the world, yet I've never heard a thing. Anyone have references to other cultures' account of this?

May seem off-topic but the earth had to have stopped rotating, something I'd think would at least have been noted elsewhere than the bible.

They may have written it down, but it wasn't preserved under God's umbrella of divine protection.

The Barbarian · Sep 5, 2015

Barbarian asks:
In a stationary Earth model, how do you explain that it takes less energy to put an object in orbit if it's launched near the equator and eastward?

Is this something that you have proven

Science doesn't prove things, but yes, I've seen the data on the difference, and it's true.

and know directly for yourself?

Yep. It's why every organization launching satellites does it as close to the equator as possible, and launches eastward. Much larger payloads can be put into orbit that way.

It's possible to do it otherwise. You can launch things into polar orbits, for example, but it takes more energy per kilogram to do it.

The amount of energy required to launch a satellite into orbit depends on the location of the launch site and how high and how inclined the orbit is. Satellites in high Earth orbit require the most energy to reach their destination. Satellites in a highly inclined orbit, such as a polar orbit, take more energy than a satellite that circles the Earth over the equator.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OrbitsCatalog/page3.php

So are we going to have another round of "they are just all lying?"

029b10 · Sep 5, 2015

Grafted In said:
Seems the account in Josh. about the sun notgoing down for a whole day would be a huge deal in the ancient writings from all over the world, yet I've never heard a thing. Anyone have references to other cultures' account of this?

Where does it say the earth stopped rotating?
So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. Josh 10:13
Since the earth rotates on it axis, the sun doesn't go down or up but stays in the same position at the center of the solar system.

Why would references from other culture's acccount of this be necessary when the heaven itself testifies of the LORD's glory.

Grafted In said:
May seem off-topic but the earth had to have stopped rotating, something I'd think would at least have been noted elsewhere than the bible.

But if the Sun creates the gravity which causes the earth to rotate on its axis, then would the earth in Genesis 1:2 been rotating on it's axis since the electromagnetic waves wouldn't have been emitted from the sun until God let there be light under the precept of the 1st Day.

essentialsaltes · Sep 5, 2015

ananda said:
I believe he is speaking about the Antarctic region, from 89 degrees downwards.

"the only place
such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed
would be at the poles."

It says 'poles' plural.

ananda · Sep 5, 2015

The Barbarian said:
Barbarian asks:
In a stationary Earth model, how do you explain that it takes less energy to put an object in orbit if it's launched near the equator and eastward?

Science doesn't prove things, but yes, I've seen the data on the difference, and it's true.

Yep. It's why every organization launching satellites does it as close to the equator as possible, and launches eastward. Much larger payloads can be put into orbit that way.

It's possible to do it otherwise. You can launch things into polar orbits, for example, but it takes more energy per kilogram to do it.

The amount of energy required to launch a satellite into orbit depends on the location of the launch site and how high and how inclined the orbit is. Satellites in high Earth orbit require the most energy to reach their destination. Satellites in a highly inclined orbit, such as a polar orbit, take more energy than a satellite that circles the Earth over the equator.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OrbitsCatalog/page3.php

So are we going to have another round of "they are just all lying?"

I'm not saying that they're lying, or how it is explained. All I am asking is if you have done these tests yourself. I have not, and I have no reason to believe that they are true or false, because I do not know of it directly for myself with first-hand knowledge.

Grafted In · Sep 5, 2015

How else could you have the sun stand still and it not do so elsewhere? Are you saying that what God did then only effected Israel?

ananda · Sep 5, 2015

essentialsaltes said:
"the only place
such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed
would be at the poles."

It says 'poles' plural.

You'll have to ask the author what he meant then, on that one point. What of all the other 199 points he made?

Grafted In · Sep 5, 2015

AV1611VET said:
They may have written it down, but it wasn't preserved under God's umbrella of divine protection.

What?

Strathos · Sep 5, 2015

Grafted In said:
How else could you have the sun stand still and it not do so elsewhere? Are you saying that what God did then only effected Israel?

Well it was for the benefit of the Israelites. Why bother disrupting the schedules of everyone else in the world?

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