Why does sin feel "good"?

[GreekOrthodox]

Things that are done according to nature aren’t sins, but those done by choice;
it’s not a sin to eat, so that the body will be properly maintained in life without any evil thought, but it is to eat without gratitude and improperly and without restraint;
neither is it a sin to look with chastity, but it is a sin to look with envy, pride and desire;
it is not a sin to listen quietly, but it is with anger.
It’s not a sin to let the tongue be unrestrained in thanksgiving and prayer, but it is to speak evil; to not let your hands do acts of mercy, but to commit murder and the&.
So each of our members sins if it does evil instead of good, doing things its own way and not according to the will of God.

St. Anthony

 

[eleos1954]

I used to be an alcoholic and I loved getting drunk. It was pleasurable to me. It's not anymore since I came to Christ because getting drunk is sinful dissipation, but I recall wanting to get drunk a lot before i got saved. What is it about sins like drunkenness, anger, fornication or revenge that feel so "good"? Why would God make the universe like this? Wouldn't it have been better if God made the Holy stuff less strenuous and the evil stuff (ie drunkenness fornication self adulation, etc.) Less appealing? I suppose it's only really appealing to the base and depraved godless minds, but why so? Why is our nature by default, so wicked and unholy?

I may not have phrased things correctly in this thread. That's all for now.

Tl;dr why is sinning pleasurable in the first place, especially when it is against Yahweh?

He created His intelligent beings with choice ... you can not have true love without choice ... else it's not love .... love can not be forced .... else it's not love.

 

[Soyeong]

I used to be an alcoholic and I loved getting drunk. It was pleasurable to me. It's not anymore since I came to Christ because getting drunk is sinful dissipation, but I recall wanting to get drunk a lot before i got saved. What is it about sins like drunkenness, anger, fornication or revenge that feel so "good"? Why would God make the universe like this? Wouldn't it have been better if God made the Holy stuff less strenuous and the evil stuff (ie drunkenness fornication self adulation, etc.) Less appealing? I suppose it's only really appealing to the base and depraved godless minds, but why so? Why is our nature by default, so wicked and unholy?

I may not have phrased things correctly in this thread. That's all for now.

Tl;dr why is sinning pleasurable in the first place, especially when it is against Yahweh?

Our desire clouds our judgement so that we can't be sure whether something is truly good or if we just think that it is good because we desire it, and this is where Proverbs 3:5-6 becomes important to learn not on our own understanding, but put our trust in God, and in all our ways acknowledge Him, so the He will make straight our paths. There are also many things that are good, but there is a proper way to use them, and using to much of it can become bad. For example, so alcohol can be good, but too much of it is bad, and that is true of many other things. Sex is a good gift from God, but it can become bad if it is not used in the correct manner, so God gives us laws for our own good in order to bless us and teach us the right way to live.

 

[friend of]

Our desire clouds our judgement so that we can't be sure whether something is truly good or if we just think that it is good because we desire it, and this is where

Okay, but WHY would God make it so that feeding the flesh appears "good"?

 

[apollosdtr]

I used to be an alcoholic and I loved getting drunk. It was pleasurable to me. It's not anymore since I came to Christ because getting drunk is sinful dissipation, but I recall wanting to get drunk a lot before i got saved. What is it about sins like drunkenness, anger, fornication or revenge that feel so "good"? Why would God make the universe like this? Wouldn't it have been better if God made the Holy stuff less strenuous and the evil stuff (ie drunkenness fornication self adulation, etc.) Less appealing? I suppose it's only really appealing to the base and depraved godless minds, but why so? Why is our nature by default, so wicked and unholy?

I may not have phrased things correctly in this thread. That's all for now.

Tl;dr why is sinning pleasurable in the first place, especially when it is against Yahweh?

Human nature isn't wicked by default. What you're talking about here is bad habits.

 

[friend of]

Human nature isn't wicked by default. What you're talking about here is bad habits.

And what makes those bad habits desirable at all?

 

[apollosdtr]

And what makes those bad habits desirable at all?

Peer pressure?
If populating the Earth was not a pleasure, who'd do it?
Do you like who you are when you're drunk? Personally, I never did.
Why do you feel good when you're angry... adrenaline? I don't like adrenaline jitters.
Why do you feel good when you got revenge? I don't like those consequences, either.

 

[friend of]

Peer pressure?
If populating the Earth was not a pleasure, who'd do it?
Do you like who you are when you're drunk? Personally, I never did.
Why do you feel good when you're angry... adrenaline? I don't like adrenaline jitters.
Why do you feel good when you got revenge? I don't like those consequences, either.

What about loving your enemy? That doesn't really feel good. We are commanded to it.

 

[renniks]

Okay, but WHY would God make it so that feeding the flesh appears "good"?

I think you are blaming the wrong entity. God originally made everything good.
Nature, both man's nature and what we call mother nature became broken. The reason illicit pleasure is possible is because of this brokeness. If you are prone to some sin as a believer you should also notice that the pleasure also brings guilt. That's because we have the Holy Spirit convicting us.

 

[apollosdtr]

What about loving your enemy? That doesn't really feel good. We are commanded to it.

How about when we know the outcome... does that help? Don't we hope to be like the two witnesses in this? Because Jesus was teaching His Galilean Disciples the Laws of the Kingdom.

Matthew 5:1-2, 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in Heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Matthew 10:5-7, 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also.

Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from Heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of Heaven.

I have finally realized that the Church of Philadelphia is wearing the seal of the 144k. Do we only love those who are walking in the light? Don't we also love those who will be the remnant but are now our enemies? How would we feel, (if it were possible) to be mean to them today, when we'll meet them in Heaven tomorrow?

 

[Soyeong]

Okay, but WHY would God make it so that feeding the flesh appears "good"?

In order to have free will, there needs to be a real choice between trusting in what God has commanded and doing what is right in our own minds. If doing what is right in our own minds never appeared to be good to us, then we would not have the freedom to choose not to trust in what God commanded.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Getting drunk is similar to pigs resting in dirty mud. People who get drunk while having sex will not produce obedient children but rebel and lazy descendants.

I don't think that's how reproduction works.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[GreekOrthodox]

I don't think that's how reproduction works.

-CryptoLutheran

Yeah, we all know that we're not to get the stocks drunk! That's the real cause!